
It's been a while, but I just want to close the loop on this matter.OneGoodSon wrote:Hello all,
I'm one of these NS defaulters. Left at the age of 17 for the US. Now I'm 45 years old.
My questions are:
1) Can I renounce my Singapore citizenship now that I'm over 40 years old? It seems the Enlistment Act does not apply anymore after 40. If so, is there any benefit to doing that.
2) Should I contact Mindef or CMPB? Could they tell me what the exact penalty is before I ever land in Singapore? Incarceration is not an option for me, as I have to provide for my kids.
3) Can there be other forms of amends besides incarceration? Community service, etc.
OneGoodSon
It's not hard - if over 21 you only need the renunciation form (which can only be collected in person from ICA in Singapore - sweet move that one) and your red passport. Fill out the form and attend your nearest Singapore High Comm.OneGoodSon wrote:It's been a while, but I just want to close the loop on this matter.OneGoodSon wrote:Hello all,
I'm one of these NS defaulters. Left at the age of 17 for the US. Now I'm 45 years old.
My questions are:
1) Can I renounce my Singapore citizenship now that I'm over 40 years old? It seems the Enlistment Act does not apply anymore after 40. If so, is there any benefit to doing that.
2) Should I contact Mindef or CMPB? Could they tell me what the exact penalty is before I ever land in Singapore? Incarceration is not an option for me, as I have to provide for my kids.
3) Can there be other forms of amends besides incarceration? Community service, etc.
OneGoodSon
Can anyone clarify whether I can renounce Singapore citizenship after 40? I have no intention to ever visit Singapore again. I just want to sever all ties with this place. In the future when anyone or employer asks me, I do not even want to mention I possess even any passport or citizenship from Singapore.
Thanks in advance.
SMS, I find your tone to be rude and condescending. I've already said I'm not going back there.sundaymorningstaple wrote:Two things. First, it's not the "PAP" self-serving Enlistment Act. It's the Government's Enlistment Act.
Secondly, if you already know the answer you "Want" then why bother to even post here? No matter what we tell you, your preconceived mind is already made up. Good Luck. Renounce, and then fly into Singapore on a visit and let us know how you fared.
Where does it say that the form needs to be collected in person from ICA?PNGMK wrote: It's not hard - if over 21 you only need the renunciation form (which can only be collected in person from ICA in Singapore - sweet move that one) and your red passport. Fill out the form and attend your nearest Singapore High Comm.
OK now this all makes sense. SMS is one of those 60.1% who voted for the PAP. Good for him, because soon Singapore would be overrun with new immigrants from China and India who don't even believe in NS in the first place.JR8 wrote:Oh mama,
I just saved a copy of this discussion for posterity.
@OneGoodSon, at the least you should know that SMS is from a military family and believes in the moral obligation of carrying out requirements that you have accepted, and that are due.
You are funny as hell, OneDebatableSon, I'm a PR and not a citizen and have been one for 25 years. So I didn't vote for the PAP. I have news for you. You are a dual citizen and will continue to be so until you sort out your NS obligation. The fact that you can submit your renunciation via form does not mean the government will or has to accept it. The same is true of the United States in that regard.OneGoodSon wrote:OK now this all makes sense. SMS is one of those 60.1% who voted for the PAP. Good for him, because soon Singapore would be overrun with new immigrants from China and India who don't even believe in NS in the first place.JR8 wrote:Oh mama,
I just saved a copy of this discussion for posterity.
@OneGoodSon, at the least you should know that SMS is from a military family and believes in the moral obligation of carrying out requirements that you have accepted, and that are due.
All I am doing right now is to cut all ties with a country (well, a tiny small island) run by a dictatorship with out-of-this-world laws. Even then, it is almost impossible to give up this stupid citizenship because it has been difficult for me to find any solid information until I had to look up the Constitution of Singapore and the Enlistment Act.
OneGoodSon wrote:Where does it say that the form needs to be collected in person from ICA?PNGMK wrote: It's not hard - if over 21 you only need the renunciation form (which can only be collected in person from ICA in Singapore - sweet move that one) and your red passport. Fill out the form and attend your nearest Singapore High Comm.
The following is from http://www.mfa.gov.sg/content/mfa/overs ... ncesc.html
Renunciation of Singapore Citizenship
A citizen of Singapore can only renounce his/her Singapore citizenship if he/she is of or over the age of 21 years and has acquired citizenship of another country. To obtain the Application for Renunciation of Citizenship package, please email the Singapore Embassy and provide your full name (as in your NRIC/Singapore passport), NRIC, date of birth, gender and contact details. The application package will include instructions, forms and list of documents to be submitted.
Listen to yourself! You sound so cynical. What kind of moderator is so insulting?sundaymorningstaple wrote: You are funny as hell, OneDebatableSon, I'm a PR and not a citizen and have been one for 25 years. So I didn't vote for the PAP. I have news for you. You are a dual citizen and will continue to be so until you sort out your NS obligation. The fact that you can submit your renunciation via form does not mean the government will or has to accept it. The same is true of the United States in that regard.
It's just like the MOM self assessment test regarding the gaining of an employment pass. It only means they will accept the application form if you qualify, but it does not mean that they will GIVE you the pass.
Therefore, you will always be a dual citizen and the moment you end up in Singapore against your wishes is the moment your worst nightmares will come true. Frankly, if it were up to me, I definitely give you your renunciation as the country is better of without worthless users of oxygen who have chicken blood running in their veins. If you didn't like how the country was being run, why didn't you do something about it? No cojones? Oh, that's obvious, as you ran away from your birthright obligations. Dog help the country who has you now as they don't realize what a mistake they've made.
Alright. Thanks PNGMK.PNGMK wrote:OneGoodSon wrote:Where does it say that the form needs to be collected in person from ICA?PNGMK wrote: It's not hard - if over 21 you only need the renunciation form (which can only be collected in person from ICA in Singapore - sweet move that one) and your red passport. Fill out the form and attend your nearest Singapore High Comm.
The following is from http://www.mfa.gov.sg/content/mfa/overs ... ncesc.html
Renunciation of Singapore Citizenship
A citizen of Singapore can only renounce his/her Singapore citizenship if he/she is of or over the age of 21 years and has acquired citizenship of another country. To obtain the Application for Renunciation of Citizenship package, please email the Singapore Embassy and provide your full name (as in your NRIC/Singapore passport), NRIC, date of birth, gender and contact details. The application package will include instructions, forms and list of documents to be submitted.
Good luck - let us know seriously if you can get this done. Last I checked was with someone a year back was via a woman trying to renounce .... she discovered this quirk (that the form - and you know nothing happens without a form) could only be obtained in person from ICA.
Don't blame me. What don't I get about it? Blame your parents for not following proper protocol. Thousands follow the proper procedure every year and don't have a problem. So, be sure to thank your parents for the mess you are in. Why didn't you check out you liabilities when you were a teen? Surely you knew that it was an obligation and yet you didn't check out your options. You just buried your head in the sand and just hoped it would go away. Your arrogance surpasses mine by a long shot because you were only looking for some agreement/sympathy here. When it didn't come, you started getting antsy. Good Luck.OneGoodSon wrote:Listen to yourself! You sound so cynical. What kind of moderator is so insulting?sundaymorningstaple wrote: You are funny as hell, OneDebatableSon, I'm a PR and not a citizen and have been one for 25 years. So I didn't vote for the PAP. I have news for you. You are a dual citizen and will continue to be so until you sort out your NS obligation. The fact that you can submit your renunciation via form does not mean the government will or has to accept it. The same is true of the United States in that regard.
It's just like the MOM self assessment test regarding the gaining of an employment pass. It only means they will accept the application form if you qualify, but it does not mean that they will GIVE you the pass.
Therefore, you will always be a dual citizen and the moment you end up in Singapore against your wishes is the moment your worst nightmares will come true. Frankly, if it were up to me, I definitely give you your renunciation as the country is better of without worthless users of oxygen who have chicken blood running in their veins. If you didn't like how the country was being run, why didn't you do something about it? No cojones? Oh, that's obvious, as you ran away from your birthright obligations. Dog help the country who has you now as they don't realize what a mistake they've made.
Look I didn't run away from my obligations. My whole family decided to move FROM Singapore to start a new life somewhere else. What don't you get about this?
And please stop thinking you are better than me, or others. Your arrogance is not warranted in this forum. And you should NOT be a moderator.
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