Noise from HDB Neighbor (Would Condos be different?)

[scarbowl]

Sounds like you should have chose the top floor since you have tolerance for people making any noise at all in their own property... To assume that you would hear nothing from upstairs because the floors were concrete is a little naive and certainly the upstairs neighbours cannot be blamed for footsteps and moving chairs in and out of their dining tables.

I'm glad you don't live below me (I am sure you would be too!) because if we are in, we are suitably noisy during the day, which we have every right to be

If you want peace and quiet, go sit in a park or rent a house.

Agreed! HDBs are primarily for families. Kids make noise - they play and have fun. That's what they are supposed to do. An HDB is NOT the place for "peace and quiet."

[JR8]

Agreed! HDBs are primarily for families. Kids make noise - they play and have fun. That's what they are supposed to do. An HDB is NOT the place for "peace and quiet."

Complete bollocks.

HDB is not 'for families'. They are for everybody.

So, your children shut up and show respect ah? Or dey grow-up as disrespec brutes yah?

S*** on your own doorstep if you like, but when the wind turns...

[sundaymorningstaple]

Actually, scarbowl is absolutely correct. Sadly. That's why single Singaporeans have such a gripe with the HDB. They are not allowed to buy a new HDB flat at all and can only buy a resale HDB no larger than a three room flat and they cannot have another sibling who is also single buying another flat. So the HDB has geared HDB estates for families only and does it's best to discourage or make it difficult for a single to buy a flat as the government considers it a waste of space.

[JR8]

Yah I understand that. My point was that you haven't some God-given right to distress your neighbours just because you have children.



p.s. the HDB policy impacts our family directly oso. Wife marry foreigner so cannot ah. Cannot buy condo, then how ah?

[sundaymorningstaple]

My daughter is having the same problem. Has to buy resale as her salary alone busts the EC cap not counting her husband's income. You wife has the problem because you aren't a PR (are you?). Were you a PR, it would be no problem (just like my case). But nothing stopping you from buying condo is there? (aside from stupid pricing, that is)

[JR8]

My daughter is having the same problem. Has to buy resale as her salary alone busts the EC cap not counting her husband's income. You wife has the problem because you aren't a PR (are you?). Were you a PR, it would be no problem (just like my case). But nothing stopping you from buying condo is there? (aside from stupid pricing, that is)

.... and there's the rub.

Do I want to pay Notting Hill prices for a place in bongo-land.

Er - no.

[scarbowl]

Yah I understand that. My point was that you haven't some God-given right to distress your neighbours just because you have children.



p.s. the HDB policy impacts our family directly oso. Wife marry foreigner so cannot ah. Cannot buy condo, then how ah?

I don't think you do understand that. Children make noise. Families are noisy. There's a reasonable limit, of course, but to suggest that quietness is expected is not practical or reasonable. Obviously you have no children. And if you don't like being around them I'm sorry but you need to move to a condo where there are more rules about noise though, even there, it is only the noise outside of specific hours that becomes a matter for management.

The HBD allocations DO specifically encourage families.

[JR8]

I don't think you do understand that. Children make noise. Families are noisy.

> I don't think you understand. There are laws on noise, and for a reason

There's a reasonable limit, of course, but to suggest that quietness is expected is not practical or reasonable.

> Hence, the authorities are the judge of that. But really, you know, don't make your domestic anarchy my problem yah

Obviously you have no children.

Lol...you did the 'obviously' thing. The last redoubt of whores, braggarts and charlatans [hat-tip Lemmy for that], Anyhowz more than you I expect.

And if you don't like being around them I'm sorry but you need to move to a condo where there are more rules about noise though, even there, it is only the noise outside of specific hours that becomes a matter for management.

It's not a matter of 'it's a case for management'. It's about being neighbours. Showing respect to others. Understanding that instinctively without having to obey it at fear of a fine.

[nutnut]

I don't think you do understand that. Children make noise. Families are noisy.

> I don't think you understand. There are laws on noise, and for a reason

Show me one that says the noise during the day time has to be kept down? My kids wake up after the end of the restriction and go to ed before the start of it!

There's a reasonable limit, of course, but to suggest that quietness is expected is not practical or reasonable.

> Hence, the authorities are the judge of that. But really, you know, don't make your domestic anarchy my problem yah

Obviously you have no children.

Lol...you did the 'obviously' thing. The last redoubt of whores, braggarts and charlatans [hat-tip Lemmy for that], Anyhowz more than you I expect.

So you have children do you? I don't mean just one child, but, more than one, you know, so they can develop the relationships that kids do - fighting, screaming at each other etc....

And if you don't like being around them I'm sorry but you need to move to a condo where there are more rules about noise though, even there, it is only the noise outside of specific hours that becomes a matter for management.

It's not a matter of 'it's a case for management'. It's about being neighbours. Showing respect to others. Understanding that instinctively without having to obey it at fear of a fine.

To me the OP doesn't give the neighbour any benefit of the doubt, expecting them to be silent during the day is not very neighbourly, do you think? It's about give and take, most [western] parents put their kids to bed at a reasonable time of night well before the singaporean law expects noise to stop.

If this whole argument was about night time, I'd fully understand and support, the fact it's daytime issues it's unreasonable.

Frankly JR8, if you don't like it, you can ram it...

[JR8]

If you'd like to frame your points in a slightly less disrespectful way, I'll have a go at them.

p.s. pissed-up yah?

Love ya man

x

[nutnut]

If you'd like to frame your points in a slightly less disrespectful way, I'll have a go at them.

p.s. pissed-up yah?

Love ya man

x

Sorry mate, this matter is very dear to my heart, my kids are loud (aren't all kids when in groups of more than 1?, but, I am not about to respect someone who has unreasonable requests. By no means am I a council estate scumbag with no morals and my kids being totally unreasonable, the times the noise is kept within are very reasonable, but, I f***ing hate how people have a go at kids like they were never one in the first place.

The OP has really p**sed me off too, they seems to think that they have a right to have total silence in their apartment. Do you not agree that this is unreasonable?

Happy New Year JR8 Had a few beers mate, of course KEYBOARD WARRIOR!!!!

Hahaha, peace!

[offshoreoildude]

Get a bad case of industrial deafness.... I have one ear that is almost completely deaf - I just roll over onto the side that has better hearing when the noise starts...

[JR8]

Industrial deafness?

Isn't that when you have two lezzers grinding on your head.


Hey damn, you haven't heard any of it, and yer won't [Nod to SMS and the troops]

[JR8]

Yeah Nut2.... I totally get you.


Love and peace man, we're barking off the same... er, menu, or something.

[earthfriendly]

Kids are rampugcious and they have lots of energy, more than the adults. That is why they burn out their parents. They need an outlet to burn off all these energy. I allow my kids to jump on our brand new sofa. They play on the sofa not because they want to be disrepectful or act destructively towards it. But because they are kids who are always looking for ways to incorporate fun into every events. They are a bundle of joy, filled with wonderment and curiousity for the world they live in. Do you remember how it is like being a kid? But I told them don't do it in somebody elses' house. I view the sofa not just for the benefit of the adults. It is also a play structure for the benefit of the kids. I view it as a multi-purpose and versatile piece of furniture, just like how I view life in general. Play is good for physical and emotional well-being. When I breed healthy kids, the world benefits.

Step into the neighborhood and there are no kids playing outside where they can join in. Even though many families have school age kids.To keep them occupied, you can sign up for tons of activities where the parents have to chaffeur them around. There is not much of improptu and carefree play available to kids. It is mostly stratured play. Strutured school,strutured neighborhood, structured extra curriculum activities, and then comes the structured parents who set all these rigid rules on what to say, behave, think. Nope, I shall not be part of the problem. Where is carefreeness, the freedom to be a kid?

I have a very dear friend where our kids play together. European mum. Eat together in restaurant, so many commands to her child,correcting him on his table manners, cannot do this, cannot do that. And during play, cannot act rampugcious and constantly correcting the child. I also get tired after having to sit there witnessing all the lectures, let alone a child. After each session of correction, I would see the boy's downcast eyes. I would just cuddle him and he would gravitate towards me. Living in the western hemisphere, his case is not unique. Sometimes as parents, we have to accept that kids will misbehave and embarass us with their bad manners. Because they are kids.

Kids have to live in a world where adults set all the rules. If I were a kid, I would think why so unfair? To rub it in, many restaurants and establishments are not friendly towards them. I have waitresses telling me the worst customers are families with kids. Yes, the kids are great inconveniences but what kind of community do we want to create? A vibrant and inclusive ones where you will come across lively kids or a sterile one, orderly but taking out the human equation.