Singapore Expats Forum

DUI work holiday pass

Discuss about the latest news & interesting topics, real life experience or other out of topic discussions with locals & expatriates in Singapore.

hfried
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Tue, 27 Nov 2012

DUI work holiday pass

Postby hfried » Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:58 pm

I received a DuI about a year ago in the US. I am us citizen and I am now trying to relocate to Singapore for my fiancee. I was thinking of applying for a work holiday pass. No one was harmed during DUI. I believe that makes it traffic violation according to Singapore law. So I am wondering if I should or shouldn't declare on my application or maybe just go on a social visit pass then trying to find work. Any help would be great. My research in expat forum has only produced more confusion with no clear answer. I am very paranoid of not being able to enter at all, as that would be the worse case.

User avatar
zzm9980
Governor
Governor
Posts: 6842
Joined: Wed, 06 Jul 2011
Location: Once more unto the breach

Re: DUI work holiday pass

Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 29 Nov 2012 1:15 pm

hfried wrote:No one was harmed during DUI. I believe that makes it traffic violation according to Singapore law.


Was it a "traffic conviction", misdemeanor, or felony in the US? It doesn't really matter what YOU think it is under Singapore law, it matters what it really actually was under US law.

The fact that you're asking this question in such a skeezy way makes me think you already know the answer to this, and you're trying to get positive reinforcement to misreport it. Note that immigration violations (of which this would be one) in Singapore are punishable with large fines, years in prison, and sometimes caning.

hfried
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Tue, 27 Nov 2012

Postby hfried » Thu, 29 Nov 2012 1:58 pm

I think you mistook me, but I only meant if it's a traffic violation should I not report it. However, your quite zealous. I am trying to figure a real world situation which I am unsure about.....your not of any help, so please stop posting.

offshoreoildude
Manager
Manager
Posts: 1582
Joined: Wed, 04 Jul 2012

Postby offshoreoildude » Thu, 29 Nov 2012 2:00 pm

hfried wrote:I think you mistook me, but I only meant if it's a traffic violation should I not report it. However, your quite zealous. I am trying to figure a real world situation which I am unsure about.....your not of any help, so please stop posting.


Hey OP, if you're going to take that tone you're not welcome.
Now I'm called PNGMK

User avatar
the lynx
Governor
Governor
Posts: 5272
Joined: Thu, 09 Dec 2010
Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location:

Postby the lynx » Thu, 29 Nov 2012 2:03 pm

If your DUI offence was without grievous hurt to any third party, it is considered under traffic violations, so there is no need to declare (it is just like parking or speeding ticket). If it was, then it is under felony AND you need to declare it.

There is source link here somewhere but too lazy to search for it now :P If you want, just use the search feature and use "DUI" and "USA" and "pass application" as keywords.

hfried
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Tue, 27 Nov 2012

Postby hfried » Thu, 29 Nov 2012 2:07 pm

Actually I could really use some help or hearing about people's experience. I am trying to figure out if it is or isn't a problem. How it would effect my visa and if visa got denied would I also be denied a tourist visa? Skeezy set me off, because it's a character slam.

User avatar
nakatago
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 8333
Joined: Tue, 01 Sep 2009
Location: Sister Margaret’s School for Wayward Children
Contact:

Postby nakatago » Thu, 29 Nov 2012 2:22 pm

hfried wrote:Actually I could really use some help or hearing about people's experience. I am trying to figure out if it is or isn't a problem. How it would effect my visa and if visa got denied would I also be denied a tourist visa? Skeezy set me off, because it's a character slam.


As mentioned, it's been asked before. Please use the search function.

Moreover, we run a pretty loose ship here so if you're easily offended, you'll have a miserable time. Take it in stride and enjoy the ride. zzm was not out of line.

-Moderator

hfried
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Tue, 27 Nov 2012

Postby hfried » Thu, 29 Nov 2012 2:28 pm

Ok will do....I have found a few links, but they have left me unsure. Maybe I am missing the one that points out what going on clearly.

User avatar
Asian_Geekette
Reporter
Reporter
Posts: 558
Joined: Wed, 10 Jan 2007
Location: Still based in Singapore but wanders around...

Postby Asian_Geekette » Thu, 29 Nov 2012 3:10 pm

hfried wrote:Actually I could really use some help or hearing about people's experience. I am trying to figure out if it is or isn't a problem. How it would effect my visa and if visa got denied would I also be denied a tourist visa? Skeezy set me off, because it's a character slam.


As a US citizen, you can enter Singapore on a tourist visa for 90 days. Just go through the immigration and be ready to show your round-trip ticket.

Just use the search function here. You'll find a lot of info.
My business is not to remake myself, but make the absolute best out of what God made. -Robert Browning

User avatar
zzm9980
Governor
Governor
Posts: 6842
Joined: Wed, 06 Jul 2011
Location: Once more unto the breach

Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 29 Nov 2012 3:33 pm

It's very simple. Were you charged with a misdemeanor or a traffic violation in the US?

Don't go with what you think it maps out to here... Put what it is if they were to run your record in the US.

offshoreoildude
Manager
Manager
Posts: 1582
Joined: Wed, 04 Jul 2012

Postby offshoreoildude » Thu, 29 Nov 2012 5:09 pm

There's no clear answer to this OP IMHO. However - if it were a non US citizen trying to get into the USA with a DUI they would normally not get in as it is classed a moral turpitude offense. Singapore - appears at least - to be a little more lenient about these things. DID YOU SERVE PRISON TIME? If so, you're probably going to have to declare but don't assume that will stop them letting you in. If you only paid a fine and lost your license, probably not - at least until you need a Singapore driving license. At the end of the day you need to do some risk analysis about what you disclose. The problem howeve is that not disclosing something like this can really bite you in the ass later - i.e. after you've settled here, have kids and a house and a career.
Now I'm called PNGMK

hfried
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Tue, 27 Nov 2012

Postby hfried » Fri, 30 Nov 2012 4:46 am

Lynx, you have told me what I had suspected from other forums. However, that may be wishful thinking. Altthough I have read people being fine not declaring such a minor offense, many people claim to do the opposite.

Zzm, your opinion is duly noted and all DUIs are misdemeanors here, but if you have more than one or you have murdered someone in the process it is a felony. Still DUIs and DUI trials are conducted in traffic court.

Offshoreoilddude, a first offense DUI does not qualify as moral turpitude and does not need to declared, the subsequent or severity of damage to human life will. Also you ask about prison time. No one will got to prison for DUI, but you may serve jail time. It could be anywhere from 1 day to a few months if you so wished to serve more time in jail than paying fines.Ttechnically when people are arrested for DUI and brought in to the police station that counts as 1 day good jail time, which may be applied latter to any sentencing. Most times that is enough, but it is still considered jail time. Are you distinguishing between jail and prison? Also what makes prison and or jail time more severe case? As in the us it does not mean a more heinous crime.

offshoreoildude
Manager
Manager
Posts: 1582
Joined: Wed, 04 Jul 2012

Postby offshoreoildude » Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:08 am

hfried wrote:Lynx, you have told me what I had suspected from other forums. However, that may be wishful thinking. Altthough I have read people being fine not declaring such a minor offense, many people claim to do the opposite.

Zzm, your opinion is duly noted and all DUIs are misdemeanors here, but if you have more than one or you have murdered someone in the process it is a felony. Still DUIs and DUI trials are conducted in traffic court.

Offshoreoilddude, a first offense DUI does not qualify as moral turpitude and does not need to declared, the subsequent or severity of damage to human life will. Also you ask about prison time. No one will got to prison for DUI, but you may serve jail time. It could be anywhere from 1 day to a few months if you so wished to serve more time in jail than paying fines.Ttechnically when people are arrested for DUI and brought in to the police station that counts as 1 day good jail time, which may be applied latter to any sentencing. Most times that is enough, but it is still considered jail time. Are you distinguishing between jail and prison? Also what makes prison and or jail time more severe case? As in the us it does not mean a more heinous crime.


In Singaproe - just as in the US - 'jail' means a holding cell to a pre-remand centre before conviction. I would not think you'd need to declare that.

Prison means post conviction time served - and I think you should double check that.

All I see is someone using semantics here and we don't really have any free legal eagles on this forum. I have a lawyer here in Singapore you can ring for free advice if you wish - PM me.
Now I'm called PNGMK

bloodhound123
Regular
Regular
Posts: 133
Joined: Thu, 16 May 2013

Postby bloodhound123 » Thu, 16 May 2013 8:03 pm

Hi,

Will a drink driving offense create issues in EP renewal or conversion of PEP back to EP after 1 year since the offense?

User avatar
zzm9980
Governor
Governor
Posts: 6842
Joined: Wed, 06 Jul 2011
Location: Once more unto the breach

Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 16 May 2013 8:50 pm

bloodhound123 wrote:Hi,

Will a drink driving offense create issues in EP renewal or conversion of PEP back to EP after 1 year since the offense?


Where did the offense occur?


  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “General Discussions”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests