http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/sutra612868.htmlAkimbo wrote:Jimmy Tan...is that the guy who posts somewhat tongue-in-cheek articles which pokes the ironic situations in Singapore in Y!SG articles?nakatago wrote: Don't worry; we get enough shout-outs with the local blogosphere, news sites and even gahmen offices. They're known to lurk around so if it's said here, they're likely to see it. (Hi, Jimmy Tan!)
It is not a question of paying more as a consumer but more for a higher price to be paid to the manufacturers / collectives etc which can be shared back down the chain.x9200 wrote: Would you be fine paying few times as much for electronics, cloths and other stuff made in cheapo-labor countries, as what you currently pay does not reflect the objective fairness?
Is the party over in the Western world?
Your argument is based on pure speculation. You assume these employees accepted roles and salaries knowing it was paid at a different rate from others i.e Malaysians. I don't think they are looking for sympathy just equality which is not unreasonable. I don't disagree with your 'get on your bike' principle but remember these guys would have little chance finding any other sort of work here.nutnut wrote:If you don't like the wage, go get a job with someone who pays better. Don't sign a contract then expect to wangle your way out of it by threatening your employer.
I'd sack the lot of them personally, yes, their wage is low I wouldn't work for it, I certainly wouldn't take a job on such a wage and then strike cause I don't like it! I'd develop my skills (English/Work skills) and go get another job. I've done this before myself, we all started on a lower paid job than we are likely on now and this is down to what you accept and negotiate.
I don't have sympathy for the very fact that they have their own choice to take this job, as Taxico says, they knew the deal when they came here, they accepted the living situation and now they want it changed by having a tantrum? Pick up your toys and get back in your cot, or, get on your feet and get yourself a better paid job. That's your choice in this country and a mantra I've always lived by myself, NO ONE helps you in this life! Help yourself if you want to get somewhere.
Out of interest, what's the pay for a similar job in Shanghai or Beijing and would they get accommodation, food and living expenses?
Yet, at the same time, seeing them as, let's say, possible-victims of naughty agencies can be treat as a speculation as well, unless someone can state clearly what's the real story. Sadly, "a part (taken) for the whole" plays a role here. PRCs are seen as "not good", in which, this kind of view can be treated as false assumption. Perhaps the strikers are good persons, but due to that false assumption, who wants to believe?Travailes wrote:Your argument is based on pure speculation. You assume these employees accepted roles and salaries knowing it was paid at a different rate from others i.e Malaysians. I don't think they are looking for sympathy just equality which is not unreasonable. I don't disagree with your 'get on your bike' principle but remember these guys would have little chance finding any other sort of work here.nutnut wrote:If you don't like the wage, go get a job with someone who pays better. Don't sign a contract then expect to wangle your way out of it by threatening your employer.
I'd sack the lot of them personally, yes, their wage is low I wouldn't work for it, I certainly wouldn't take a job on such a wage and then strike cause I don't like it! I'd develop my skills (English/Work skills) and go get another job. I've done this before myself, we all started on a lower paid job than we are likely on now and this is down to what you accept and negotiate.
I don't have sympathy for the very fact that they have their own choice to take this job, as Taxico says, they knew the deal when they came here, they accepted the living situation and now they want it changed by having a tantrum? Pick up your toys and get back in your cot, or, get on your feet and get yourself a better paid job. That's your choice in this country and a mantra I've always lived by myself, NO ONE helps you in this life! Help yourself if you want to get somewhere.
Out of interest, what's the pay for a similar job in Shanghai or Beijing and would they get accommodation, food and living expenses?
With all the vitriol aimed at them in the press there is a complete paradox between how 'important' they are claimed to be to the economy, commuters, movement of people etc and the value placed on them by their employers through miserly wages !
there're too many parallels that can be drawn (living conditions, disparity in pay, etc), except the outcome usually does not end with arrests and a speedy trial.Travailes wrote:...I don't think they are looking for sympathy just equality which is not unreasonable. I don't disagree with your 'get on your bike' principle but remember these guys would have little chance finding any other sort of work here.
With all the vitriol aimed at them in the press there is a complete paradox between how 'important' they are claimed to be to the economy, commuters, movement of people etc and the value placed on them by their employers through miserly wages !
there're sufficient benefits for people to hold a job. i'm sure it's not just for the sake of being employed that people have a job. nor can we guarantee that employees will remain loyal to the company/job if a better offer comes along.Sergei82 wrote:Yes, actually, this is the first country I've been to where I see such a phenomenon: people massively avoiding certain types of jobs.
In my Ukraine Ukrainians are doing all kinds of jobs, in Russia - Russians are doing everything, I was living in Korea - Koreans are doing everything (even in such areas like IT there are plenty of Koreans, foreigners are invited for slightly different purposes), Thais do everything. Probably, every country is like that.
In the west coast of USA, all the above jobs are mostly staffed by immigrant workers. Except for bus drivers, there isn't a huge demand for it as public transportation is not big over here.Sergei82 wrote: Singaporeans are "kings"... we dun wanna be in IT, we dun wanna be doctors, we dun wanna clean others' houses, we dun wanna be at construction site, we dun wanna be bus drivers... So spoiled!
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