EP - "Fixed Monthly Salary" but internship paid hourly

[sam007]

I have a dilemma in answering the question on "fixed monthly salary" in relation to the EP application.

I am a recent graduate who has been offered a job in Singapore, however, my last work experience was an internship which paid me on an hourly basis which is inclusive of superannuation. Hence, I was not really paid a salary.

I am unsure how to answer this section on "fixed monthly salary". Can I just multiply my hourly rate with four weeks worth of hours, logically speaking? Or is there some proper way to answer this question (if employed on a casual basis, though, I was working FT)? Or is this question not applicable to me?

Or should I decide to remove this internship experience from the application?

Any comments would be appreciated.

[Callput]

Ask your employer how to fill, they must have some experience, in these matters.

[the lynx]

I have a dilemma in answering the question on "fixed monthly salary" in relation to the EP application.

I am a recent graduate who has been offered a job in Singapore, however, my last work experience was an internship which paid me on an hourly basis which is inclusive of superannuation. Hence, I was not really paid a salary.

I am unsure how to answer this section on "fixed monthly salary". Can I just multiply my hourly rate with four weeks worth of hours (37.5 hours/week x 4 weeks = 150 hours), logically speaking? Or is there some proper way to answer this question (if employed on a casual basis though I was working FT)? Or is this question not applicable to me?

Or should I decide to remove this internship experience from the application?

Any comments would be appreciated.

I was in your shoes when I first came here. Had internship done (different country though) and was also paid hourly, which was not much. So I did not include it in my application form for the EP.

My advice, take it off. You're still a fresh graduate in their eyes, regardless of whether you did internship or not. Unless you had it at somewhere stellar like UN.

[sam007]

I have a dilemma in answering the question on "fixed monthly salary" in relation to the EP application.

I am a recent graduate who has been offered a job in Singapore, however, my last work experience was an internship which paid me on an hourly basis which is inclusive of superannuation. Hence, I was not really paid a salary.

I am unsure how to answer this section on "fixed monthly salary". Can I just multiply my hourly rate with four weeks worth of hours (37.5 hours/week x 4 weeks = 150 hours), logically speaking? Or is there some proper way to answer this question (if employed on a casual basis though I was working FT)? Or is this question not applicable to me?

Or should I decide to remove this internship experience from the application?

Any comments would be appreciated.

I was in your shoes when I first came here. Had internship done (different country though) and was also paid hourly, which was not much. So I did not include it in my application form for the EP.

My advice, take it off. You're still a fresh graduate in their eyes, regardless of whether you did internship or not. Unless you had it at somewhere stellar like UN.

Thanks for your advice, the lynx.

I am a bit worried that removing it will affect my chances, especially after reading about another graduate's post who did not have prior experience get rejected http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/ftopic89625.html.

Although not the UN, my internship was with EY. However, that said, it is only an internship, so not much to show in my work experience. So, you may be right in that it might not make a difference for the MOM.

Assuming that now I have nothing on my work experience section, then the only thing that would get me an EP is my educational qualifications.

@the lynx, then did you successfully get your EP purely with your academic qualifications? with a bachelor's degree or a master's degree? and when?

If you could share further details, it would be of great help.

[the lynx]

Thanks for your advice, the lynx.

I am a bit worried that removing it will affect my chances, especially after reading about another graduate's post who did not have prior experience get rejected http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/ftopic89625.html.

Although not the UN, my internship was with EY. However, that said, it is only an internship, so not much to show in my work experience. So, you may be right in that it might not make a difference for the MOM.

Assuming that now I have nothing on my work experience section, then the only thing that would get me an EP is my educational qualifications.

@the lynx, then did you successfully get your EP purely with your academic qualifications? with a bachelor's degree or a master's degree? and when?

If you could share further details, it would make a difference to help me be more confident in the whole process.

1. You're a recent graduate. So that stands in your MOM application. You can still list in your internship stint if you really want to. But it were to be me, I wouldn't sweat it.

2. What is more important is that your salary in Singapore and your job role. If your application is read by MOM officers as "another cheap labour for regular jobs that locals can easily do", it will be a no.

3. Yes. It was in 2009 with a bachelor's degree. Note though that my nationality and skill set might be a factor that time. Hence, back to #2.

For EP application (Q1) (source: MOM)

Young graduates from good institutions could qualify if they earn at least $3,000

[sam007]

1. You're a recent graduate. So that stands in your MOM application. You can still list in your internship stint if you really want to. But it were to be me, I wouldn't sweat it.

2. What is more important is that your salary in Singapore and your job role. If your application is read by MOM officers as "another cheap labour for regular jobs that locals can easily do", it will be a no.

3. Yes. It was in 2009 with a bachelor's degree. Note though that my nationality and skill set might be a factor that time. Hence, back to #2.

For EP application (Q1) (source: MOM)

Young graduates from good institutions could qualify if they earn at least $3,000

Thanks, the lynx. You just brought me back to the big picture.

I'll just proceed with my application as per normal and see what life brings.

[Strong Eagle]

Ya know, what with the recent tightening of all sorts of work permits, this whole post seems to be much ado about nothing. If the Singapore gahmen is truly concerned about its citizenry and jobs availability, how is it that a recent grad with no real experience can even have a chance at any kind of a work permit (no slight intended to the OP... just that without experience, what does this person have to offer that is not available from Singapore talent?).

[JR8]

Ask your employer how to fill, they must have some experience, in these matters.

Agreed. Furthermore the employer makes the application not the candidate, and they with their local knowledge are also best placed to know how to pitch it.

(In other words I'm rather confused why it sounds like you're completing your own EP application).

[sam007]

Ask your employer how to fill, they must have some experience, in these matters.

Agreed. Furthermore the employer makes the application not the candidate, and they with their local knowledge are also best placed to know how to pitch it.

(In other words I'm rather confused why it sounds like you're completing your own EP application).

Don't worry JR8, I'm not the one filling in the application. I was just asked to confirm that all information is correct before it is sent through and advise of any need for corrections. Since it asked for "fixed monthly salary", I wasn't really sure whether my internship experience was something that you would put on the work experience section.

And for Strong Eagle, I found that this forum was very friendly in helping others after reading posts that might help me out. So, I decided to ask a specific question that I had in mind when reviewing the application. It may be much ado about nothing but I am thankful to have found answers to my questions.

[colio]

Ask your employer how to fill, they must have some experience, in these matters.

Agreed. Furthermore the employer makes the application not the candidate, and they with their local knowledge are also best placed to know how to pitch it.

(In other words I'm rather confused why it sounds like you're completing your own EP application).

I'm confused on this statement JR8. I just completed my E Pass application myself.. for some of the questions there, there is no way my employer is going to know the answers like my spouse's education qualifications, my passed citizenships, detailed work experience & last drawn fixed monthly salary etc. Sure, they could ask me but I may as well fill out the application myself?

What difference does it make, as long as the employer signs the form right?

[the lynx]

Ask your employer how to fill, they must have some experience, in these matters.

Agreed. Furthermore the employer makes the application not the candidate, and they with their local knowledge are also best placed to know how to pitch it.

(In other words I'm rather confused why it sounds like you're completing your own EP application).

I'm confused on this statement JR8. I just completed my E Pass application myself.. for some of the questions there, there is no way my employer is going to know the answers like my spouse's education qualifications, my passed citizenships, detailed work experience & last drawn fixed monthly salary etc. Sure, they could ask me but I may as well fill out the application myself?

What difference does it make, as long as the employer signs the form right?

I think JR8 read that you will be submitting the form yourself.

Anyway from my experience, normally the HR will hand over the form (with basic info such as salary, occupation, company address etc filled out) and ask you to fill up the nitty gritty bit. Then you return the form, which s/he will submit.

[JR8]

I think JR8 read that you will be submitting the form yourself.

Anyway from my experience, normally the HR will hand over the form (with basic info such as salary, occupation, company address etc filled out) and ask you to fill up the nitty gritty bit. Then you return the form, which s/he will submit.

Thanks Lynx, and yes this is what I meant, and what has happened to me... i.e. HR give me a copy of the form, I fill it out, and based on that, then they complete the version that they then file.