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Postby JR8 » Thu, 15 Nov 2012 8:05 pm

Callput wrote:Interesting point you made there, so there are very less immigrants in Germany compared to uk, France, Spain, holland and Portugal as all the later 5 had many colonies.

Less than in the UK, for sure. France has quite an African population (esp. North and West African). Spain ditto, and note that some of this might be down to proximity as well (i.e. 1st stopping point heading north in Europe). Holland has an notable Indon community. Portugal... never been, but my sole Portugese friend is originally (white) Angolan.

Yet Germany is the best economy in Europe, so wondering if immigrants really contribute or not, haha.

Yes, one wonders!

Why not try Googling on racial breakdown statistics for the counties you mention. Try the same for Hamburg too, I'd be interested in what you might find out!


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Postby Callput » Thu, 15 Nov 2012 8:11 pm

JR8 wrote:
Callput wrote:Interesting point you made there, so there are very less immigrants in Germany compared to uk, France, Spain, holland and Portugal as all the later 5 had many colonies.

Less than in the UK, for sure. France has quite an African population (esp. North and West African). Spain ditto, and note that some of this might be down to proximity as well (i.e. 1st stopping point heading north in Europe). Holland has an notable Indon community. Portugal... never been, but my sole Portugese friend is originally (white) Angolan.

Yet Germany is the best economy in Europe, so wondering if immigrants really contribute or not, haha.

Yes, one wonders!

Why not try Googling on racial breakdown statistics for the counties you mention. Try the same for Hamburg too, I'd be interested in what you might find out!



Yeah, surely will explore more on this.

Portugal I know has a huge Goan population. There are more Goans in Portugal ratiowise than Indians in UK, that is because they treated Goans as Portuguese citizens when it was a colony, no other country ever extended that kind of privilege to its colony. Even now, when there is a football match Goans in India support Portugal :)

I am sure Portugal has very close ties with brazil as well.
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Postby x9200 » Thu, 15 Nov 2012 8:13 pm

JR8 wrote:The other matter that has not been raised is racism. Germany never succeeded in gaining an empire, despite trying. As a result you will find a great deal fewer 'colonials' in even Berlin, than by means of comparison you would in just about any UK city. There is a Turkish community in Berlin, but any others that might exist are invisible. I do not recall the last time that I saw a 'coloured person', at least 6 months. And it's ignorance that breeds prejudice.

The problem is the Western face of the racism is much more aggressive. While the level of racist sentiments is probably higher in Singapore it is rather unlikely you will face here any direct offenses. In Europe, in less multicultural, cosmopolitan places you may easily be a victim of direct verbal or even physical insults.

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Postby beppi » Thu, 15 Nov 2012 8:18 pm

Apart from the Turkish population (Berlin is the third biggest Turkish city!), most other foreigners are visibly indistinguishable from Germans. there are also no ethnic enclaves like Chinatowns. But foreigner ratios are lower in Berlin and Hamburg than in some smaller industrial cities like Düsseldorf or Stuttgart, due to foreign worker population. (This does not mean, though, that English is more common there!)

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 15 Nov 2012 8:19 pm

Even the staff in the few Indian restaurants in Berlin are German. As a Londoner that really took me by surprise! :o

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Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 15 Nov 2012 8:59 pm

offshoreoildude wrote:whereas here the Medicis are fiddling while Venice sinks into the sea.


Florence. Medicis of Florence. :cool:

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Postby offshoreoildude » Fri, 16 Nov 2012 9:02 am

zzm9980 wrote:
offshoreoildude wrote:whereas here the Medicis are fiddling while Venice sinks into the sea.


Florence. Medicis of Florence. :cool:


I thought Medicis ruled Venice? Well - I'm sure you get the analogy.
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Postby zzm9980 » Fri, 16 Nov 2012 9:42 am

offshoreoildude wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:
offshoreoildude wrote:whereas here the Medicis are fiddling while Venice sinks into the sea.


Florence. Medicis of Florence. :cool:


I thought Medicis ruled Venice? Well - I'm sure you get the analogy.


You should watch the Borgias. Great show!


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