A few too many shandies last night?!offshoreoildude wrote:Singapore has has one of the most generous attitudes towards foreigners for any Asian country. Now, when it's tightened up just a tiny bit the unlucky ones a bitching. Get a life; go try and immigrate to China or Thailand or Malaysia and see how easy that is. Shit you don't even need to learn a language or pass a culture test to live here!
A an individual with vested interested in Singapore the only people I want her to let in are those that count and contribute. No stepping stoners, no bloody subcontinentals who think it's a right to collect passports and PR's and no money launderers out of Indonesia.
I'm sick of you useless losers and users. The sooner the gahmen cancels your REP or tightens up even more and rechecks all the fakers with forger diplomas and phucks you off the happier I'll be.
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offshoreoildude wrote:Get a life; go try and immigrate to China or Thailand or Malaysia and see how easy that is.
Other than more administration of applying for P1 passes, can you explain the impact on small businesses as I'm scratching my head to understand this?ScoobyDoes wrote:offshoreoildude wrote:Get a life; go try and immigrate to China or Thailand or Malaysia and see how easy that is.
You have your own experiences of living and working there? From three you list, I've lived and worked in two very easily plus HK in addition so I don't see any problems being able to work regionwide.
I have colleagues that moved from here to the third in your list and also found/find it easy.
I think SG is tightening rules on PEP just at the wrong time and this target is not where the local concern is anyway. Even by the government's own admission the number of affecting people could be quite small, but more important is the impact it might have on local business.
But, surely, they'd just apply for a P 1 or 2 pass in that situation.sundaymorningstaple wrote:If they cannot get the help locally due to shortage of suitably qualified persons, they have to look externally. If the salary requirements are set too high, then the local SME may well not be able to afford that kind of strain on their bottom line, so, at the end of the day, due to the lack of the depth of their pockets comparatively speaking, they may well have to either move or close up shop.
Some companies, however, have problems with scaling.BillyB wrote:But, surely, they'd just apply for a P 1 or 2 pass in that situation.sundaymorningstaple wrote:If they cannot get the help locally due to shortage of suitably qualified persons, they have to look externally. If the salary requirements are set too high, then the local SME may well not be able to afford that kind of strain on their bottom line, so, at the end of the day, due to the lack of the depth of their pockets comparatively speaking, they may well have to either move or close up shop.
Change dentists, in that casenakatago wrote:Some companies, however, have problems with scaling.BillyB wrote:But, surely, they'd just apply for a P 1 or 2 pass in that situation.sundaymorningstaple wrote:If they cannot get the help locally due to shortage of suitably qualified persons, they have to look externally. If the salary requirements are set too high, then the local SME may well not be able to afford that kind of strain on their bottom line, so, at the end of the day, due to the lack of the depth of their pockets comparatively speaking, they may well have to either move or close up shop.
That's what some companies are doing. They found some great oral hygienists in Malaysia.BillyB wrote:Change dentists, in that casenakatago wrote:Some companies, however, have problems with scaling.BillyB wrote: But, surely, they'd just apply for a P 1 or 2 pass in that situation.
The problem is, they're also raising the requirements for lower tiers. Some Singapore businesses are really spoiled by cheap labor and then you see all these 'help wanted ads.'Callput wrote:I do agree with OffshoreOilDude, there is no other developed country in the world(other than Australia, at the moment) that lets expats come in with so much ease. UK was the last country that used to do that but now they have removed the HSW Tier 1 as well as the 2 year work visa, if you do your masters there.
8k for PEP was really low, especially for those that are working in the Europe with high taxes. 8k in Europe is probably equivalent to 6k in Singapore, due to the tax differential and the purchasing power parity.
This time around they have rightly set the bar at 18k for outsiders v/s 12k for those that are already here.
Yeah, I agree, this will hurt businesses a lot, thats for sure.nakatago wrote:The problem is, they're also raising the requirements for lower tiers. Some Singapore businesses are really spoiled by cheap labor and then you see all these 'help wanted ads.'Callput wrote:I do agree with OffshoreOilDude, there is no other developed country in the world(other than Australia, at the moment) that lets expats come in with so much ease. UK was the last country that used to do that but now they have removed the HSW Tier 1 as well as the 2 year work visa, if you do your masters there.
8k for PEP was really low, especially for those that are working in the Europe with high taxes. 8k in Europe is probably equivalent to 6k in Singapore, due to the tax differential and the purchasing power parity.
This time around they have rightly set the bar at 18k for outsiders v/s 12k for those that are already here.
It may be good for Singaporeans in the long run--wages are raised for everyone. But right now, Singapore--and various companies--has become too dependent on cheap, foreign labor. Moreover, they're changing things way too fast for companies to be comfortable.
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