PEP online application with DP

freeman.vu · Post by **freeman.vu** » Tue, 06 Nov 2012 7:50 pm

Hi all,

I applied for PEP online few days ago. In the online form, I indicated I wanted to transfer all existing DPs accompanied with my existing EP, but in the end there were no forms or anything to fill in the DP particulars. Looking at the manual form, there are pages asking about that. I realized this by today and I called MOM to ask about, they advised I can login to EP online and submit the application for DP. I am a bit blurred, my spouse is already on DP, I just want to put them into the PEP application along with me. And more, I couldn't find any parts related to online DP application on the EP portal...

Anybody knows is this normal that online PEP doesn't need to fill in DP particulars in case they want to include the DP in the application?
Or else what exactly I should do now?

Thanks

zzm9980 · Post by **zzm9980** » Tue, 06 Nov 2012 7:58 pm

MOM should already have all existing DP details, so you don't need to fill anything out.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Tue, 06 Nov 2012 9:04 pm

Hopefully you are making over 12K/month as they will surely sit on it for three weeks until Dec 1 when the new guidelines come into play or just reject it because they see what you are trying to do.....

freeman.vu · Post by **freeman.vu** » Tue, 06 Nov 2012 9:35 pm

No, My salary is not in that range, I am holding P2 atm.
To be honestly, I only awared of the changes in the requirements for PEP today. My intention is not to secure job safety at first...

Thanks you zzm and sms

Post by **Strong Eagle** » Tue, 06 Nov 2012 10:30 pm

freeman.vu wrote:No, My salary is not in that range, I am holding P2 atm.
To be honestly, I only awared of the changes in the requirements for PEP today. My intention is not to secure job safety at first...

Thanks you zzm and sms

Even if you were to be granted a PEP, it would be taken away at the end of 2013 because you did not earn $12,000 per month in 2013.

Unfortunately for you, I don't think this is going to happen.

freeman.vu · Post by **freeman.vu** » Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:47 pm

What I understand is assuming someone got the PEP now, the impact of the new requirements will only take effect from 31 Dec 20114 not 2013...
Anw, as I said I didn't know the new requirements are going to be that soon at the time I applied... let see how it goes.

Thanks again

BillyB · Post by **BillyB** » Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:04 am

I've just read the new criteria - a surprising and welcome change IMO, particularly if it stops people milking the system for what is effectively a 'condition-less' 5 year visa.

Well done MOM.

Post by **Strong Eagle** » Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:53 am

BillyB wrote:I've just read the new criteria - a surprising and welcome change IMO, particularly if it stops people milking the system for what is effectively a 'condition-less' 5 year visa.

Well done MOM.

I think Singapore has shot themselves in the foot... and maybe in the head. This has wiped out a lot of mid level candidates... $8k to $10K per month. Companies that would hire at $8K won't do it at $12K. Net effect... a lot of people going home... to the detriment of Singapore and it's companies.

BillyB · Post by **BillyB** » Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:04 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:
BillyB wrote:I've just read the new criteria - a surprising and welcome change IMO, particularly if it stops people milking the system for what is effectively a 'condition-less' 5 year visa.

Well done MOM.
I think Singapore has shot themselves in the foot... and maybe in the head. This has wiped out a lot of mid level candidates... $8k to $10K per month. Companies that would hire at $8K won't do it at $12K. Net effect... a lot of people going home... to the detriment of Singapore and it's companies.

Surely they would just get an P1 employment pass in that case, or move to a P1 in the future if they were out of the range? Plus, if people want to stay, surely they'd accept a change in Visa type - it's not really a deal breaker.

It might take-up more processing time and be a pain in terms of administration, but if it narrows the net and the result is better quality foreigners, then I think that's a good thing.

I also believe it stops system abusers getting a 5 year visa with very favourable conditions without having any intention to commit to Singapore in the longer-term.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:11 pm

BillyB, I tend to agree. There isn't anything wrong with going back on a P1, assuming that in 6 more months they don't raise the P1 entry level to 12K as well. Most PEP were P1's initially. The collateral damage (DPs) is the same for both, unless the PEP was originally a Q or P2, but they aren't going to make the 144K anyway.

Post by **nakatago** » Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:35 pm

BillyB wrote:
Strong Eagle wrote:
BillyB wrote:I've just read the new criteria - a surprising and welcome change IMO, particularly if it stops people milking the system for what is effectively a 'condition-less' 5 year visa.

Well done MOM.
I think Singapore has shot themselves in the foot... and maybe in the head. This has wiped out a lot of mid level candidates... $8k to $10K per month. Companies that would hire at $8K won't do it at $12K. Net effect... a lot of people going home... to the detriment of Singapore and it's companies.
Surely they would just get an P1 employment pass in that case, or move to a P1 in the future if they were out of the range? Plus, if people want to stay, surely they'd accept a change in Visa type - it's not really a deal breaker.

It might take-up more processing time and be a pain in terms of administration, but if it narrows the net and the result is better quality foreigners, then I think that's a good thing.

I also believe it stops system abusers getting a 5 year visa with very favourable conditions without having any intention to commit to Singapore in the longer-term.

It only breaks the deal for people who want to bring dependents. Spouses and children, understandably still a big deal but parents and parents in law, not so much for most.

freeman.vu · Post by **freeman.vu** » Wed, 21 Nov 2012 9:58 pm

For the first time I got some good news (to me), I got the approval for my PEP today... it comes as quite a big surprise as I also thought more likely I wouldn't get it given my salary range compare to the new requirements.
Thanks guys for the advises and comments. That's always helpful because at least I was better prepared for worst case...

Callput · Post by **Callput** » Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:54 pm

freeman.vu wrote:For the first time I got some good news (to me), I got the approval for my PEP today... it comes as quite a big surprise as I also thought more likely I wouldn't get it given my salary range compare to the new requirements.
Thanks guys for the advises and comments. That's always helpful because at least I was better prepared for worst case...

Congratulations but remember that it is a 2 year thing.

One. Potential issue I see is end of 2014 there will be 1000s of pep holders losing their visa at that point too many employers will throng mom with ep applications, wonder how many will get approved

freeman.vu · Post by **freeman.vu** » Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:40 pm

Thanks CallPut. That's true but it doesn't change the picture much as consider on average the length of EP is 2 years, so it's also about the time for EP holders to renew right?
To me its still like long a Call with not expensive premium

freeman.vu · Post by **freeman.vu** » Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:47 pm

Oops, I have another question to bother you bosses

My in-principle approval is valid until April 2013. But the new requirements will have effect coming Dec. Does it mean I need to collect the PEP by end of this month?

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