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EP rejected. Meet MOM?

Postby bapobear » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:23 am

I got my ep rejected numerous times since 1 and a half year ago. My current company helped me to apply work permit with my salary 2.5k and now i am holding it.
Recently i got a job offer with a MNC and they tried to help me apply ep but it was rejected as well. My current salary is 3.1k+ with increment of 500+ over the past year. But it seems still not meet mom satisfication even tho i have degree and working experience.
I am wondering is it because my original data is different from now as i know my first hr made mistake for entering wrong data but my spass was approved in my first job.
How should i solve this? Can I meet MOM officer by myself to check whats the reason for being rejected so many times?

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Re: EP rejected. Meet MOM?

Postby the lynx » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:36 am

bapobear wrote:I got my ep rejected numerous times since 1 and a half year ago. My current company helped me to apply work permit with my salary 2.5k and now i am holding it.
Recently i got a job offer with a MNC and they tried to help me apply ep but it was rejected as well. My current salary is 3.1k+ with increment of 500+ over the past year. But it seems still not meet mom satisfication even tho i have degree and working experience.
I am wondering is it because my original data is different from now as i know my first hr made mistake for entering wrong data but my spass was approved in my first job.
How should i solve this? Can I meet MOM officer by myself to check whats the reason for being rejected so many times?


You can try but you are likely to be disappointed as MOM is not obligated to divulge the reasons for rejecting you. I have few friends who are in same situation as you are (same salary range, few years of working experience, trying to jump for better employment with bigger increment or trying to renew current work pass, got rejected) and the only thing MOM can say is, "Sorry, can't tell."

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Postby bapobear » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:44 am

Actually i did not get any increment for jumping ship. It is just that they are much bigger company and happens that they would like to offer me.
As i heard that mom officer would tell the reason if meet them personally so just want to check whether it works..

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Postby v4jr4 » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:59 am

bapobear wrote:Actually i did not get any increment for jumping ship. It is just that they are much bigger company and happens that they would like to offer me.
As i heard that mom officer would tell the reason if meet them personally so just want to check whether it works..


I guess it won't work either. The barriers for EP qualification are too tight. There are several rumors said that you can push the MoM staff to give you the reason why, but don't take the bait.
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Postby bapobear » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:59 am

by the way, the hr sent the application yesterday and today i checked it got rejected. I was like "wow that is fast, it is like the MOM dont even think about it, saw my name -> dustbin"
I thought normally it took one week for application to be reviewed.

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Postby the lynx » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:03 am

bapobear wrote:Actually i did not get any increment for jumping ship. It is just that they are much bigger company and happens that they would like to offer me.
As i heard that mom officer would tell the reason if meet them personally so just want to check whether it works..


You do realise that currently the government is tightening on the number of foreign workers across the board, especially on S Pass (but also happens to EP). So anyone who is just a Tom, Dick and Harry in job search will find themselves in hard position to secure an approval or booted out the moment they try to renew the current passes.

The only way to increase your chance of getting approved is to get a way higher income to prove that you're of high value to the company (and to the government in your taxes). Or have a job scope that is highly niched and favourable.

Of course you can always try to meet in person. Who knows you may be the lucky one who actually gets an answer from MOM themselves. Do keep us updated on MOM's response.

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Postby bapobear » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:04 am

v4jr4 wrote:
bapobear wrote:Actually i did not get any increment for jumping ship. It is just that they are much bigger company and happens that they would like to offer me.
As i heard that mom officer would tell the reason if meet them personally so just want to check whether it works..


I guess it won't work either. The barriers for EP qualification are too tight. There are several rumors said that you can push the MoM staff to give you the reason why, but don't take the bait.

Ok thanks.
But eventually i have to solve this problem. I am intending to get my pr on 5th year in singapore. However, holding work permit is not gonna let me do it forever.

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Postby v4jr4 » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:07 am

bapobear wrote:by the way, the hr sent the application yesterday and today i checked it got rejected. I was like "wow that is fast, it is like the MOM dont even think about it, saw my name -> dustbin"
I thought normally it took one week for application to be reviewed.


I'm not surprised if they really use this tool to decide whether someone is eligible for EP or not.

bapobear wrote:But eventually i have to solve this problem. I am intending to get my pr on 5th year in singapore. However, holding work permit is not gonna let me do it forever.


With the new rules, I can only say "Good luck".
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Postby bapobear » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:10 am

the lynx wrote:
bapobear wrote:Actually i did not get any increment for jumping ship. It is just that they are much bigger company and happens that they would like to offer me.
As i heard that mom officer would tell the reason if meet them personally so just want to check whether it works..


You do realise that currently the government is tightening on the number of foreign workers across the board, especially on S Pass (but also happens to EP). So anyone who is just a Tom, Dick and Harry in job search will find themselves in hard position to secure an approval or booted out the moment they try to renew the current passes.

The only way to increase your chance of getting approved is to get a way higher income to prove that you're of high value to the company (and to the government in your taxes). Or have a job scope that is highly niched and favourable.

Of course you can always try to meet in person. Who knows you may be the lucky one who actually gets an answer from MOM themselves. Do keep us updated on MOM's response.

I am not sure if it was because my qualification or salary. I got less than 2k and was fresh graduate when i got my first job in singapore yet i still got spass. The next applications just got rejected, all of them, even after 3 years in Singapore i still not qualified. I found that weird, all HRs felt so. Even a chinese prc with lower salary, just diploma can get ep but not me. Thats really double standard of mom but nothing can complain :(

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Postby lolipop99 » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 2:44 pm

what nationality and race are you? it may not because of your qualifications but may be because if your race and nationality has smaller quota than prc

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 3:40 pm

Obviously you have a problem with the English language, correct?

Because, if you didn't, surely you would have read or hear about MOM tightening up on all criteria and also their desire to reduce the population of certain ethnic groups back to a level that they desire. The new qualifications not only are governed by you educational & salary, but it is also governed by your experience and age, so if you proffered salary is below what MOM thinks a person with you education, experience should be earning, then they are also going to reject it. The online qualifications testing page is only to see if you are "qualified to be considered" and not "qualified for the job". Bit of a difference. Many other factors are now coming into play that are not placed in the public view. MOM keeps their cards close to their chests, and rightly so.

It is their ball, their ball park and their rules. You want to play, you play their way or it's the highway.

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Postby bapobear » Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:42 am

lolipop99 wrote:what nationality and race are you? it may not because of your qualifications but may be because if your race and nationality has smaller quota than prc

I am malaysian chinese.

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Postby bapobear » Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:55 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Obviously you have a problem with the English language, correct?

Because, if you didn't, surely you would have read or hear about MOM tightening up on all criteria and also their desire to reduce the population of certain ethnic groups back to a level that they desire. The new qualifications not only are governed by you educational & salary, but it is also governed by your experience and age, so if you proffered salary is below what MOM thinks a person with you education, experience should be earning, then they are also going to reject it. The online qualifications testing page is only to see if you are "qualified to be considered" and not "qualified for the job". Bit of a difference. Many other factors are now coming into play that are not placed in the public view. MOM keeps their cards close to their chests, and rightly so.

It is their ball, their ball park and their rules. You want to play, you play their way or it's the highway.

I dont know what you are trying to bark here but i am pretty sure your command of english language is not better than mine. I did not say anything about the stupid online assessment. The test has very low standard and i dont bother to try it. Thanks for the opinion though.
By saying salary and age, I am 25, I'm not sure earning 3k per month is it considered low at my age but I know most of them(same profession) earning 2.5k-2.8k at this age. Yet I couldn't even get a spass.
Not trying to prove anything here, i just want to play guess what is the main reason being rejected. If everything is in order, then it might because they have made a list of to-be-rejected, to-be-approved as so on. Just a wild guess.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:56 am

Where is your degree from? Is is Sunway by chance?

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Postby bapobear » Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:03 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Where is your degree from? Is is Sunway by chance?

It is local uni University of Malaya. Why? They blacklisted some of them?


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