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Renounce PR for kid and renew REP for parents

Postby Marilyn Tan » Tue, 30 Oct 2012 4:38 pm

We have 2 sons, 5 and 3yo. First son was born in home country and given PR status together with parents 3 years ago. Second son was born in Singapore is now staying in Singapore on a LTVP.

Now I have a few questions and do not know where to find the answers. I hope you could help.

In the case that we'd only want to stay in Singapore as PRs, and we do not want our first son to serve the NS, hence, pulling him out of his PR the earlier the better and put him on LTVP like the brother. We are thinking about doing this now far before the 11 yo mark to avoid consequences to his future. However, if we did pull him out, would that affect the parents' PR renewal in two years' time?

What if we do not renounce his PR but send him back home for a year when the REP needs to be renewed then bring him back and apply him on LTVP?

If we success in renouncing his PR and getting the LTVP, when he grows up, would he be in the bad list if he'd want to work in Singapore?

In the case that we'd want to become citizens, we then wouldn't mind for our sons to serve the NS, do we need to have the second son become PR two years before we could apply as a family? Or he can go straight from LTVP to citizen?

I hope that the MOD or someone could help me with these questions. Thank you.

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Postby Mi Amigo » Tue, 30 Oct 2012 4:47 pm

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Postby the lynx » Tue, 30 Oct 2012 4:52 pm

Uh-oh. Bad question with bad motives.

I sure hope no one sees this and point this out to the ICA and local message boards and citizen news portal.

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We have 2 sons, 5 and 3yo. First son was born in home country and given PR status together with parents 3 years ago. Second son was born in Singapore is now staying in Singapore on a LTVP.

Now I have a few questions and do not know where to find the answers. I hope you could help.

In the case that we'd only want to stay in Singapore as PRs, and we do not want our first son to serve the NS, hence, pulling him out of his PR the earlier the better and put him on LTVP like the brother. We are thinking about doing this now far before the 11 yo mark to avoid consequences to his future. However, if we did pull him out, would that affect the parents' PR renewal in two years' time?

What if we do not renounce his PR but send him back home for a year when the REP needs to be renewed then bring him back and apply him on LTVP?

If we success in renouncing his PR and getting the LTVP, when he grows up, would he be in the bad list if he'd want to work in Singapore?

In the case that we'd want to become citizens, we then wouldn't mind for our sons to serve the NS, do we need to have the second son become PR two years before we could apply as a family? Or he can go straight from LTVP to citizen?

I hope that the MOD or someone could help me with these questions. Thank you.

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Re: Renounce PR for kid and renew REP for parents

Postby Saint » Tue, 30 Oct 2012 4:53 pm

Marilyn Tan wrote:We have 2 sons, 5 and 3yo. First son was born in home country and given PR status together with parents 3 years ago. Second son was born in Singapore is now staying in Singapore on a LTVP.

Now I have a few questions and do not know where to find the answers. I hope you could help.

In the case that we'd only want to stay in Singapore as PRs, and we do not want our first son to serve the NS, hence, pulling him out of his PR the earlier the better and put him on LTVP like the brother. We are thinking about doing this now far before the 11 yo mark to avoid consequences to his future. However, if we did pull him out, would that affect the parents' PR renewal in two years' time?

What if we do not renounce his PR but send him back home for a year when the REP needs to be renewed then bring him back and apply him on LTVP?

If we success in renouncing his PR and getting the LTVP, when he grows up, would he be in the bad list if he'd want to work in Singapore?

In the case that we'd want to become citizens, we then wouldn't mind for our sons to serve the NS, do we need to have the second son become PR two years before we could apply as a family? Or he can go straight from LTVP to citizen?

I hope that the MOD or someone could help me with these questions. Thank you.


Be prepared to get a load replies which you won't want to hear. It's exactly this kind of abuse of PR that gives us genuine PRs a bad name. The ICA aren't that stupid and will realise exactly what you are trying to do. If you do renounce your kids PRs they will probably not be given another pass whether it's LTVP etc. Your REP will not be renewed in 2 years I can say with certainty.

The ICA frequently read this forum so watch out and is your name actually Marilyn Tan?!. I have quoted your original post because after all the replies you will get you will no doubt delete your original posting

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 30 Oct 2012 5:12 pm

You really DON'T want this Mods response. I can guarantee you. I'm a PR and my son is currently doing his NS in the Singapore Navy.

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Re: Renounce PR for kid and renew REP for parents

Postby v4jr4 » Tue, 30 Oct 2012 5:19 pm

Marilyn Tan wrote:We have 2 sons, 5 and 3yo. First son was born in home country and given PR status together with parents 3 years ago. Second son was born in Singapore is now staying in Singapore on a LTVP.

Now I have a few questions and do not know where to find the answers. I hope you could help.

In the case that we'd only want to stay in Singapore as PRs, and we do not want our first son to serve the NS, hence, pulling him out of his PR the earlier the better and put him on LTVP like the brother. We are thinking about doing this now far before the 11 yo mark to avoid consequences to his future. However, if we did pull him out, would that affect the parents' PR renewal in two years' time?

What if we do not renounce his PR but send him back home for a year when the REP needs to be renewed then bring him back and apply him on LTVP?

If we success in renouncing his PR and getting the LTVP, when he grows up, would he be in the bad list if he'd want to work in Singapore?

In the case that we'd want to become citizens, we then wouldn't mind for our sons to serve the NS, do we need to have the second son become PR two years before we could apply as a family? Or he can go straight from LTVP to citizen?

I hope that the MOD or someone could help me with these questions. Thank you.


In short, you won't allow your son to serve NS if you can't get citizenship, and you will offer your son to serve NS if you can get citizenship. A bad sample of "tit for tat".
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Postby offshoreoildude » Tue, 30 Oct 2012 5:33 pm

Bottom line is second gen PRs are expected to serve NS. If you get around this; there will almost certainly be consequences.
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Postby iloverice » Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:57 pm

This kind of "special plan" that land the sincere PR who wish to stay and be a citizen here in a "bad position" on gahmen's eyes.
I've been reading regularly the posts here and I feel really sad and worry for my future and the other sincere PR holder.

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Postby Marilyn Tan » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:52 am

I did not mean to disrespect Singapore law on NS or anyone here. If I sounded so, I apologize.

My second son was born in Singapore three years ago, but we have applied PR for him twice, twice he was rejected. Now we do not want to have two sons who are in different situations, one would have to serve the NS, and one wouldn't. As parents, we are trying our best to give a fair life to both of them, but it is hard when they are holding different status here. Most of the time, the biggest privilege for the PR children is local school admission. In our family, first one would have a chance to go to public school in 2 years time, while it is slimmer for second one to go to the same public school as he is a foreigner, so to be fair, we are thinking to give up that privilege and send both of them to International School if we still can't have PR approval for the second son in two years.

I am confused with what we should do now. After reading around this forum, we just want to learn more about how to work it out with the two sons, hence, the idea of if we are just staying here as PRs, we would want to pull our first son out so it will be fair between the brothers since the younger one's application was repeatedly rejected. At the same time, I have come across a lot of posts in different forums that state if a family commits to living in Singapore for a long time, they should become citizens and really make Singapore their home country, and that's the right way to ensure that the whole family will be together AND our sons would not face differences in their childhood life here. If it is the case, we would apply for citizenship as soon as we could so I can sleep well not being scared about what if the situation changes and second son wont get his LTVP renewed and he would be deported, and that is the reason for the last question whether second son must hold his PR status for two years before applying for citizen. If he doesnt need to do so, I can start preparing for our family application for citizen right away.

It is not serving the NS factor that we worry that much. To us as parents, our view is that it is two years of their life, not a toy that we can say it's ok your brother can have it and you don't. All we want is for our two sons to have equal life and equal chances given by us. It is a sensitive matter, I have realized it more now by reading comments from SMS and MS and other members from the back date topics. Again, I apologize to those who think that I posted like a bad PR, I did not do my research well before asking here.

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Postby offshoreoildude » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 7:41 am

This is an unfortunate situation. In your case I would give serious consideration to looking for somewhere else to migrate to as an entire family or perhaps return to your home country before your PR son is much older.

You could consider applying for SC as an entire family - if the family gets it - well good - otherwise you clearly have to think of something else.

What is your nationality and race though? At present the Gahmen is quite tight on certain races and nationalities.
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Postby x9200 » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 8:48 am

What do you think could be the reasons your other son was rejected? Normally having the sons included in the PR application is a very strong asset. Also, judging from your nick you are probably Chinese what at worst gives a neutral score mark and at best (Malaysian/Indonesian) another very strong point.
In other words, I am suggesting to provide here some more details so your situation will be more clear for those who could try to help you.

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Postby Saint » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 9:17 am

x9200 wrote:What do you think could be the reasons your other son was rejected?


Could be that the Gahmen have already marked them down as "Do not renew REP after 5 years" No point then giving 2nd son PR. Only a thought as I agree with x9200 that there's no obvious reason why PR has been rejected

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:02 am

Saint, you are probably spot on. And the reason why is possibly staring us in the face.......

Marilyn Tan, how long was it between the 2nd son's birth and the first application for PR for him?

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Postby v4jr4 » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:32 am

Marilyn Tan wrote:My second son was born in Singapore three years ago, but we have applied PR for him twice, twice he was rejected.


Funny. I thought it will be easier to for your son to get the PR. Perhaps gahmen wants to wait for a couple of years to give PR to your second son.
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Postby x9200 » Wed, 31 Oct 2012 1:46 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Saint, you are probably spot on. And the reason why is possibly staring us in the face.......

Marilyn Tan, how long was it between the 2nd son's birth and the first application for PR for him?

If I read the intention of your question correctly, would the delay be really such a strong factor? A bit hard to believe talking about 2y span.
Besides, they got the status together with the 1st son 3y ago and the older one is 3yo. The difference between the boys is 1y only so it narrows down the period to less than one year where they already applied twice so probably they applied within few months after the 2nd son was born.


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