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PR Application

Postby Geosha » Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:52 am

Hi Al,

I would like to share my experience in PR application and seek your comments.

I am an Indian 43 years old working in Project Management and Control(Petrochemical, Oil & Gas sector)for the past 15 years in various countries such as UK, South America and the Middle East. Moved to Sinagpore in Aug 2011 with P1 pass. I had enquired about the best timing for PR application and most of the comments(wrong assumption???) received from my colleagues is - 1 year is the best timing.

So I had applied for PR for myself and family including my son aged 9 years. I had prepared all my documents carefully, filled up the form and went for submission in Aug 2012. It was an unexpected and unfamiliar approach from the officer. The discussion started with an non-responsive approach (never experienced anywhere in the world) to “Good Morning”

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Re: PR Application

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:58 pm

Okay, I'm not going to make any friends here, but I'm going to address you post as honestly as I can and from an ICA perspective (or at least what I think is their thought processes).......

[quote="Geosha"]Hi Al,

I would like to share my experience in PR application and seek your comments.

I am an Indian 43 years old working in Project Management and Control(Petrochemical, Oil & Gas sector)for the past 15 years in various countries such as UK, South America and the Middle East. Moved to Sinagpore in Aug 2011 with P1 pass. I had enquired about the best timing for PR application and most of the comments(wrong assumption???) received from my colleagues is - 1 year is the best timing.

Best timing is after you have been here long enough to submit three tax assessments. (or at least two years - forget what the guidelines say)

Secondly, working in the O&G sector and having worked in various countries, it would appear that you work in the area of project types of work which would mean you will be moving on at some point in the future as you have already worked in four countries before coming here. Therefore in the eyes of the gahmen, it would be pretty safe to assume when another prime offer comes up, you will be moving on again, PR or not.


So I had applied for PR for myself and family including my son aged 9 years. I had prepared all my documents carefully, filled up the form and went for submission in Aug 2012. It was an unexpected and unfamiliar approach from the officer. The discussion started with an non-responsive approach (never experienced anywhere in the world) to “Good Morning”

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Postby Geosha » Wed, 24 Oct 2012 1:44 pm

Hi SMS,

Thanks for your immediate reply and much appreciated your comments.

Yes, I was in different countries due to project requirements and totally fed-up with moving places with family. Finally I had decided to sacrifice all the benefits (of course you are well aware of the benefits in O&G sector while moving around) for my kids as they need to stay somewhere permanently for better education and safe life for ever. To be honest, I am not even getting half of the benefits which I used to get while travelling. As you rightly said, ICA think I will jump when I get another fruitful offer.

Regarding misuse of systems by Indians – I fully agree with you. I don’t have much good Indian friends. I never worked in India. But I can see many Indians are planning to get the PR just to satisfy their needs just for the time being.

As I mentioned in my post, my plan is to send my son for NS to re-pay something back to country, develop his responsibility as an Individual. Can't uderstand why peoeple are so scared of NS ? I saw some European kids in NS uniform – amazing.

Regarding P1 renewal, I am in the Management Position and salary is pretty good and company gave me a reasonably good salary increment in Jan 2012, good bonus(even though I spent only 4 months here from Aug 2011 till December 2011). Also mid year bonus(in July 2012) and I am expecting a good bonus and salary increment this year as well.

As you suggested, just wait for another 3 or 4 years and apply again…..Let us hope for the best.

Once again thanks.

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Re: PR Application

Postby Leafable » Thu, 25 Oct 2012 9:14 am

Geosha wrote:Hi Al,
The interesting thing is that 2 young men(26 yrs….) working in my dept with much less salary, less experience got their PR approval in 23 days and another one in 6 weeks. Both are Malaysian Chinese commuting every day from Johor. Another person who is 55+ Malaysian Chinese also got PR approval in less than 2 months’ time. . I respect government policies and ICA decision, but sometimes it looks odd.
Expecting your valuable suggestions.


Really? I did ask this question before. Wonder if you could get a PR by living in Johor? Did they get the PR before they move to JB or they've applied it while living in JB? Or is this some special treat for the Malaysian?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 25 Oct 2012 9:18 am

Probably using their company address as their residential address.

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Postby offshoreoildude » Thu, 25 Oct 2012 9:22 am

There are many factors for; and against your case. One of the factors will be your age as you get older (a negative factor) but this can be balanced with positive factors. I personally think you're a strong applicant who has simply hit the quota wall. Another option to consider would be migrating to Australia - right now the market is desperate for O and G guys there and you WILL be able to get PR and migrate there in due course. Don't listen to the stories about racism in Australia towards Indians - there's racism in Australia towards EVERY race but in general it's minor and not a problem in the work place.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 25 Oct 2012 9:34 am

I reckon his age isn't really a problem. I got my PR when I was 47. I also had two young children, one of each flavour.

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Postby offshoreoildude » Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:14 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I reckon his age isn't really a problem. I got my PR when I was 47. I also had two young children, one of each flavour.
Perhaps but I'm noticing a trend in the rejections of older folk that echoes on the sentiments of the anti FT brigade who ask 'why let in older people who have less to contribute time wise?'.
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Re: PR Application

Postby Geosha » Thu, 25 Oct 2012 7:03 pm

Leafable wrote:
Geosha wrote:Hi Al,
The interesting thing is that 2 young men(26 yrs….) working in my dept with much less salary, less experience got their PR approval in 23 days and another one in 6 weeks. Both are Malaysian Chinese commuting every day from Johor. Another person who is 55+ Malaysian Chinese also got PR approval in less than 2 months’ time. . I respect government policies and ICA decision, but sometimes it looks odd.
Expecting your valuable suggestions.


Really? I did ask this question before. Wonder if you could get a PR by living in Johor? Did they get the PR before they move to JB or they've applied it while living in JB? Or is this some special treat for the Malaysian?


I am not sure about the residential addess here, but they were commuting from Johor even before PR approval. As sms said, theymight have used company address.There is no such special treat for Malaysian, but Malaysian Chinese have very high chances and the approval is very fast.

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Postby Geosha » Thu, 25 Oct 2012 7:12 pm

offshoreoildude wrote:There are many factors for; and against your case. One of the factors will be your age as you get older (a negative factor) but this can be balanced with positive factors. I personally think you're a strong applicant who has simply hit the quota wall. Another option to consider would be migrating to Australia - right now the market is desperate for O and G guys there and you WILL be able to get PR and migrate there in due course. Don't listen to the stories about racism in Australia towards Indians - there's racism in Australia towards EVERY race but in general it's minor and not a problem in the work place.

Heard from other people that age may not be the main reason, but my previous working nature(moving from places to plces) could be the main factor. No concern about racism because I never experienced such thing anywhere. As long as we respect the host country culture and obey the rules, there will not be any problem. If there is a racist activity, there might be a reason for that. Moving to another place again is another nightmare... wait for some more time and apply again.....


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