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Monthly salary over SGD11000 but only S Pass

Relocating, travelling or planning to make Singapore home? Discuss the criterias, passes or visa that is required.
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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:22 pm

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revhappy wrote:You cannot appeal for change of pass type. Its at the discretion of MoM to give any pass they like or not give it at all.

An appeal could possibly turn them off and they could actually cancel your pass altogether and send you packing :-|


Revhappy: are you sure of that ?

I know exactly three cases of people who got S Pass, and AFTER A YEAR, during renewal, the employer sent in a request to consider for EP, and two got it approved, and one was left on S Pass.


I think revhappy is referring to appealing the current decision, not a future one upon renewal.


Ok, and an appeal leading to 'cancellation' ?? that's new for me .. if that does happen.

then again, nowadays, can never say what goes on there .. in MOM

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Postby the lynx » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:34 pm

Actually there was a case.

WP holder on 2009. Reason: No degree. Technically the said applicant was graduating at time of application so had not received the transcript that time. Applied to upgrade EP 6 months later and was approved.

Of course the above could happen because there was an improvement to the application (note: degree comes in).

Not sure of now, though.

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Postby revhappy » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:35 pm

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Postby Steve1960 » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 1:19 pm

I can confirm there is not necessarily a hard link to education.

I came over in April, 51 years old, no degree and I left school at 17 in the UK with very average 'A' level grades.

However, I came to Singapore with a heavyweight title, responsibility and salary from my UK employer and was given an EP.

Our Singapore office has 17 people comprised of 10 Singaporeans, 3 British, 3 Indian and 1 Taiwanese. Not sure if that represents a high percentage of natives but it may have helped.

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Postby offshoreoildude » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 1:48 pm

The answer is obvious. You need to resign, go home and reapply for a better job.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 1:53 pm

Steve1960 wrote:I can confirm there is not necessarily a hard link to education.

I came over in April, 51 years old, no degree and I left school at 17 in the UK with very average 'A' level grades.

However, I came to Singapore with a heavyweight title, responsibility and salary from my UK employer and was given an EP.

Our Singapore office has 17 people comprised of 10 Singaporeans, 3 British, 3 Indian and 1 Taiwanese. Not sure if that represents a high percentage of natives but it may have helped.


Yes, Steve, there is. However, it is waived IF your salary is over S$8K/mo as the MOM figure that if any company is willing to pay you that amount of money, your experience is probably worth more than the sheepskin. Therefore P1 Visas do not require any degrees.

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Postby Steve1960 » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 1:57 pm

Ah, OK got it. Apologies for suggesting incorrect information.

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Postby Barnsley » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 2:23 pm

Steve1960 wrote:I can confirm there is not necessarily a hard link to education.

I came over in April, 51 years old, no degree and I left school at 17 in the UK with very average 'A' level grades.

However, I came to Singapore with a heavyweight title, responsibility and salary from my UK employer and was given an EP.

Our Singapore office has 17 people comprised of 10 Singaporeans, 3 British, 3 Indian and 1 Taiwanese. Not sure if that represents a high percentage of natives but it may have helped.


I am guessing your non-Singaporeans are on Employments Passes and not S-passes.

Its the S-Pass Quota thats causing my company issues at the minute.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 2:29 pm

Yep, mine too. a quarter of my foreign staff are S pass holders (less now that the new 45% quota has come into effect for service companies).

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Postby Steve1960 » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 2:31 pm

I am guessing your non-Singaporeans are on Employments Passes and not S-passes.

Its the S-Pass Quota thats causing my company issues at the minute.[/quote]

Yes you are correct we have only 1 S-Pass holder

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Postby Steve1960 » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 2:42 pm

This topic really concerns me when I think of the future for me and my family. The intention is for us to make a life here in Singapore but if I don't make PR before my EP expires in 18 months I have to consider the fact that it may not be renewed :-(

I know this is an EP view rather than S-Pass but surely when considering new applications and quotas for both the MoM would give preference to renewels given those people have already shown some commitment to the country and paid taxes?

Surely denying renewal unless there are particular circumstances warranting it serves to alienate foreign companies in Singapore?

I guess MoM is walking the tightrope between foreign companies locating in Singapore and the rising voice of discontent among Singaporeans over the number of foreigners here.

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Postby v4jr4 » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 2:55 pm

Steve1960 wrote:This topic really concerns me when I think of the future for me and my family. The intention is for us to make a life here in Singapore but if I don't make PR before my EP expires in 18 months I have to consider the fact that it may not be renewed :-(


We're playing in their "flexible" game. There's no easy workaround :(
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Postby Engineerhk » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 4:03 pm

Dear all

Thanks alot for your information and advise..

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Postby nakatago » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 4:14 pm

Steve1960 wrote:This topic really concerns me when I think of the future for me and my family. The intention is for us to make a life here in Singapore but if I don't make PR before my EP expires in 18 months I have to consider the fact that it may not be renewed :-(

I know this is an EP view rather than S-Pass but surely when considering new applications and quotas for both the MoM would give preference to renewels given those people have already shown some commitment to the country and paid taxes?

Surely denying renewal unless there are particular circumstances warranting it serves to alienate foreign companies in Singapore?

I guess MoM is walking the tightrope between foreign companies locating in Singapore and the rising voice of discontent among Singaporeans over the number of foreigners here.


Went through renewal anxiety myself. I also dismissed being PR years ago realizing that unless something drastic happens to my career soon (which, according to posters on glassdoor.com, is pretty common in my company), I got no shot.

Then my employment pass got renewed for three years last month. That buys me a couple of years to think about what I want to do next.

I'm no hotshot. Not a manager type, not a rockstar. I'm just a humble code monkey.

I guess I should talk to my manager about career track options (oh lookie; project management training).

Hat, coat, binder, linkedin login info...

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Postby Engineerhk » Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:35 pm

Hi nagatako.... How many years have your been working in SG?


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