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Postby Steve1960 » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 9:53 am

Having made two horrible badly researched purchases of cheap digital cameras in the last 12 months I am going for third time lucky.

Any enthusiasts out there who would offer a recommendation?

I am not looking for a DSLR, more a higher end compact zoom camera. Wish list GPS, WiFi, decent optical zoom and decent size image sensor.

Considering the Sony HX20V.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 9:59 am

A good resource

http://www.dpreview.com/

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Postby Steve1960 » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 10:29 am

Thank you, I had been to that site. The problem is that the more reviews I read the more I talk myself out of wanting a particular camera based on the inevitable negatives the reviewer has to find.

The best way is to try the camera myself but thats not very practical in a shop.

I am hoping to find an enthusiast with first hand experience of a decent camera. Even then its open to personal preference and perception of course.

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Postby v4jr4 » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 10:38 am

I'm not sure how to say this, but do you really need the GPS and Wi-Fi?
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Postby Steve1960 » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 10:52 am

Comes from being in the trade I am afraid :oops:

Fabless semicondutor company making Bluetooth, WiFi and GPS chips.

Gotta fly the flag.........................so yes its absolutely essential of course :wink:

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 10:54 am

Pick a camera you like. Scour the internet for reviews. If there are glaring flaws, pick another camera. If you're satisfied, scour the internet some more (e.g. clubsnap forums) to find a good price + good store + good service.

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Postby Steve1960 » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:00 am

Been there, done it, got the t-shirt. The more scouring I do for a particular camera the less satisfied I become.

Perception becomes distorted with the myrad of reviews and opinions.

Guess I will just put my top three choices in a hat and pick one at random.

Clearly I would rather avoid the decision making process altogether, have a saviour here recommend a camera and then slate them later if I am not satisfied.

I am joking :wink:

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Postby x9200 » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:14 am

Steve1960 wrote:Thank you, I had been to that site. The problem is that the more reviews I read the more I talk myself out of wanting a particular camera based on the inevitable negatives the reviewer has to find.

The best way is to try the camera myself but thats not very practical in a shop.

I am hoping to find an enthusiast with first hand experience of a decent camera. Even then its open to personal preference and perception of course.

I own(ed) close to 20 digital cameras and also still do analogue medium format photography and all I do I go to the already mentioned site:

http://www.dpreview.com/

do the search on functions/options (they have excellent search engine), read the review, take a look at the included samples, look for some further raw samples on Internet and that's it. I was never disappointed with any camera I have chosen this way.

Your initial message:

Having made two horrible badly researched purchases of cheap digital cameras in the last 12 months I am going for third time lucky.

Why it was a bad choice?

Any enthusiasts out there who would offer a recommendation?

I am not looking for a DSLR, more a higher end compact zoom camera. Wish list GPS, WiFi, decent optical zoom and decent size image sensor.

Considering the Sony HX20V.

Not enough data on what do you want it for. My current everyday camera (always with me in my rucksack) is Canon PS SX230 HS. It's not a champion of optics and the GPS is not working very well but it is what I expected to have and it matches the price tag and the purpose I bought it for. So again, what do you really want this for? An universal camera for every occasion? You will never be satisfied.

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Postby Steve1960 » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:24 am

Good quality shots of my wife and daughter, need fast shutter response and what do they call it, the ability to shoot consecutive frames quickly, as I am constantly frustrated that my daughter moves faster than the pic I am trying to take.

Holiday snaps and would like the GPS tag to identify where the shots were taken.

Double as a good quality camcorder to save having two pieces of equipment.

Functionality to match or beat my Samsung Galaxy IIS smart phone, my wife particularly likes being able to take a picture and post it immediately on Facebook. Not my thing but it makes her happy.

Finally, I would like to improve my ability in photography and start experimenting a little to see if I would like to take it up as a hobby.

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:35 am

If you're not a pro or semi-pro, I recommend Amazon or Newegg reviews. That's where I send my relatives who ask me these things. They're written by real world people like you or I, not too dumbed down, but also not by camera snobs.

I personally go to Amazon once I'm pretty settled on something I like, click "Most Helpful Critical" reviews and read those. I discount any 1 Stars for silly things like "OMG IT WAS BROKEN WHEN I OPENED IT" because no matter what you buy, of any product, will have DOAs and look through for the real flaws that sound like design flaws. Unless of course there are thousands of people with DOAs. Then I might research more carefully. :)

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Postby the lynx » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:37 am

zzm9980 wrote:If you're not a pro or semi-pro, I recommend Amazon or Newegg reviews. That's where I send my relatives who ask me these things. They're written by real world people like you or I, not too dumbed down, but also not by camera snobs.

I personally go to Amazon once I'm pretty settled on something I like, click "Most Helpful Critical" reviews and read those. I discount any 1 Stars for silly things like "OMG IT WAS BROKEN WHEN I OPENED IT" because no matter what you buy, of any product, will have DOAs and look through for the real flaws that sound like design flaws. Unless of course there are thousands of people with DOAs. Then I might research more carefully. :)


What's DOA? :???:

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:40 am

the lynx wrote:What's DOA? :???:


Dead on Arrival - so you can do an RMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_mer ... horization ) if applicable)
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Postby x9200 » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:41 am

Steve1960 wrote:Good quality shots of my wife and daughter, need fast shutter response and what do they call it, the ability to shoot consecutive frames quickly, as I am constantly frustrated that my daughter moves faster than the pic I am trying to take.

Canon PS SX230 HS has full manual mode including manual focus. Of course it has aperture and time priority as well. It has continuous shouting so you can shoot without realizing the button from 1 to 8 fps (depending on the mode).
Good quality is subjective. If I want good quality I take Canon 40D with EF 1.8/50mm (dirty cheap lens).


Holiday snaps and would like the GPS tag to identify where the shots were taken.

For Canon PS SX230 HS it takes up to a few minutes to get a fix from cold start. Later it works fine. It inserts the coordinates also to the movies (metadata). Not sure how is it with different cameras.

Double as a good quality camcorder to save having two pieces of equipment.

Functionality to match or beat my Samsung Galaxy IIS smart phone, my wife particularly likes being able to take a picture and post it immediately on Facebook. Not my thing but it makes her happy.

This Canon PS SX230 HS alone will not do but you can buy these SD wifi cards I guess.

Finally, I would like to improve my ability in photography and start experimenting a little to see if I would like to take it up as a hobby.

Canon PS SX230 HS got the mentioned manual modes, Full HD video and also high speed video.

Probably the Sony you mentioned does all these better (sorry I did not checked the spec.) but I have overall bad experience with this brand and I don't buy anything from them unless I really have to.



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Postby the lynx » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:44 am

ecureilx wrote:
the lynx wrote:What's DOA? :???:


Dead on Arrival - so you can do an RMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_mer ... horization ) if applicable)


The gamer part of me thinks of of DOA as Dead Or Alive :P

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:46 am

the lynx wrote:
ecureilx wrote:
the lynx wrote:What's DOA? :???:


Dead on Arrival - so you can do an RMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_mer ... horization ) if applicable)


The gamer part of me thinks of of DOA as Dead Or Alive :P


and as of now, my boss says you can use the LL to claim a replacement (LL-> Lemon Law - in his dictionary !!!)


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