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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 25 Sep 2012 4:37 pm

It could be worse....

The additional registration fee could still be the 175% is was when I got here and the COE could be up to $104,000 like it was in August & September 1994. :o

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Postby offshoreoildude » Tue, 25 Sep 2012 4:54 pm

I can't recall the combined ERP/COE revenue but it's massive - I don't see that money going into the road system. If it was - we'd have multi tiered overhead expressways everywhere and the clusterphuck at the Serangoon PIE fly over would have been done far better.

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 25 Sep 2012 5:30 pm

offshoreoildude wrote:I can't recall the combined ERP/COE revenue but it's massive - I don't see that money going into the road system. If it was - we'd have multi tiered overhead expressways everywhere and the clusterphuck at the Serangoon PIE fly over would have been done far better.


I saw an article asking if the LTA's mission is to really to make money. Aside from all the fees, all these auxillary police are very enthusiastic handing out tickets.

The comments said 'yes.'

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 25 Sep 2012 6:52 pm

nakatago wrote:They put up park connectors with bicycle lanes but when you follow them, they expect you to carry your bicycle over overpasses just for you to go on. And no, they don't give you alternate routes so you can continue riding.


This absolutely drives me *nuts*. It's the worst along the Kallang River park connector. There is an overpass every km, five or six in a row. Then, just when you think it's over, they have the PIE over-pass. I was dead for a good 5 minutes at the top of that my first time riding through, and I'm in relatively good cardio shape!

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Re: My other pet hate? Ancient ERP system

Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 25 Sep 2012 6:52 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:
offshoreoildude wrote:ERP was advanced when it was first released. Now a stored value card system is about 15 years behind every other country that has a e-toll system where the car owner is billed directly or the e-toll bill goes direct to a credit card. It drives me nuts have to top up a cash card (which is a major attraction point for thieves). Why can't we be trusted to pay an e-toll bill (post) if we are trusted enough to drive on the road?


Swap out your in vehicle unit for a new one. Cardless... charged to bank or credit card as you set it up.


I thought that certain older parking garages (most of them) weren't compatible with that though. Is that true? If not, I'd gladly pay to upgrade!

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Postby offshoreoildude » Tue, 25 Sep 2012 8:14 pm

For what it' worth - when I worked with the LTA 99 percent of the people I dealt with seemed to be clueless recent grads full of themselves (i.e. incapable of listening to any other opinion than their own, in that uniquely sinky way).

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 25 Sep 2012 10:57 pm

zzm9980 wrote:
nakatago wrote:They put up park connectors with bicycle lanes but when you follow them, they expect you to carry your bicycle over overpasses just for you to go on. And no, they don't give you alternate routes so you can continue riding.


This absolutely drives me *nuts*. It's the worst along the Kallang River park connector. There is an overpass every km, five or six in a row. Then, just when you think it's over, they have the PIE over-pass. I was dead for a good 5 minutes at the top of that my first time riding through, and I'm in relatively good cardio shape!


I just stopped using that and go along Upper Thomson to Bishan park instead of going through Kallang park connector which is supposed to get me to Bishan park as well.

Make me carry my heavy bicycle the equivalent of three storeys? I want cardio not awkward weight lifting.

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 26 Sep 2012 8:48 am

nakatago wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:
nakatago wrote:They put up park connectors with bicycle lanes but when you follow them, they expect you to carry your bicycle over overpasses just for you to go on. And no, they don't give you alternate routes so you can continue riding.


This absolutely drives me *nuts*. It's the worst along the Kallang River park connector. There is an overpass every km, five or six in a row. Then, just when you think it's over, they have the PIE over-pass. I was dead for a good 5 minutes at the top of that my first time riding through, and I'm in relatively good cardio shape!


I just stopped using that and go along Upper Thomson to Bishan park instead of going through Kallang park connector which is supposed to get me to Bishan park as well.

Make me carry my heavy bicycle the equivalent of three storeys? I want cardio not awkward weight lifting.


There is no other good route I'm aware of from East Coast to say Bishan Park.

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Re: My other pet hate? Ancient ERP system

Postby curiousgeorge » Wed, 26 Sep 2012 9:07 am

offshoreoildude wrote:ERP was advanced when it was first released. Now a stored value card system is about 15 years behind every other country that has a e-toll system where the car owner is billed directly or the e-toll bill goes direct to a credit card. It drives me nuts have to top up a cash card (which is a major attraction point for thieves). Why can't we be trusted to pay an e-toll bill (post) if we are trusted enough to drive on the road?


So have your ERP charges billed directly to a credit card?

Like this? www.motorpay.com.sg

Doesn't work for car parks, but yeah, your ERP charges go directly to you credit card :roll:

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Re: My other pet hate? Ancient ERP system

Postby Strong Eagle » Wed, 26 Sep 2012 9:12 am

zzm9980 wrote:
Strong Eagle wrote:
offshoreoildude wrote:ERP was advanced when it was first released. Now a stored value card system is about 15 years behind every other country that has a e-toll system where the car owner is billed directly or the e-toll bill goes direct to a credit card. It drives me nuts have to top up a cash card (which is a major attraction point for thieves). Why can't we be trusted to pay an e-toll bill (post) if we are trusted enough to drive on the road?


Swap out your in vehicle unit for a new one. Cardless... charged to bank or credit card as you set it up.


I thought that certain older parking garages (most of them) weren't compatible with that though. Is that true? If not, I'd gladly pay to upgrade!


You are correct. However, since the came out in 2009 I don't know how many are not upgraded, and in any event, you can switch to a cash card for those.

http://www.sgcarmart.com/news/article.php?AID=2275

http://www.lta.gov.sg/content/ltaweb/en ... it-iu.html

http://www.lta.gov.sg/content/dam/ltawe ... Annex1.pdf

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Re: My other pet hate? Ancient ERP system

Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 26 Sep 2012 9:26 am

Strong Eagle wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:
Strong Eagle wrote:
offshoreoildude wrote:ERP was advanced when it was first released. Now a stored value card system is about 15 years behind every other country that has a e-toll system where the car owner is billed directly or the e-toll bill goes direct to a credit card. It drives me nuts have to top up a cash card (which is a major attraction point for thieves). Why can't we be trusted to pay an e-toll bill (post) if we are trusted enough to drive on the road?


Swap out your in vehicle unit for a new one. Cardless... charged to bank or credit card as you set it up.


I thought that certain older parking garages (most of them) weren't compatible with that though. Is that true? If not, I'd gladly pay to upgrade!


You are correct. However, since the came out in 2009 I don't know how many are not upgraded, and in any event, you can switch to a cash card for those.

http://www.sgcarmart.com/news/article.php?AID=2275

http://www.lta.gov.sg/content/ltaweb/en ... it-iu.html

http://www.lta.gov.sg/content/dam/ltawe ... Annex1.pdf


Ahh.. I didn't realize the new unit took either. I guess that's pretty dumb on my part, since it seems logical :)

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Re: My other pet hate? Ancient ERP system

Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:52 am

curiousgeorge wrote:
offshoreoildude wrote:ERP was advanced when it was first released. Now a stored value card system is about 15 years behind every other country that has a e-toll system where the car owner is billed directly or the e-toll bill goes direct to a credit card. It drives me nuts have to top up a cash card (which is a major attraction point for thieves). Why can't we be trusted to pay an e-toll bill (post) if we are trusted enough to drive on the road?


So have your ERP charges billed directly to a credit card?

Like this? www.motorpay.com.sg

Doesn't work for car parks, but yeah, your ERP charges go directly to you credit card :roll:


That one charges a subscription fee though. If you have a newer ICU, you can get an NFC credit card compatible with CEPAS, like the Citi SMRT Platinum card.

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Re: My other pet hate? Ancient ERP system

Postby offshoreoildude » Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:35 am

zzm9980 wrote:
curiousgeorge wrote:
offshoreoildude wrote:ERP was advanced when it was first released. Now a stored value card system is about 15 years behind every other country that has a e-toll system where the car owner is billed directly or the e-toll bill goes direct to a credit card. It drives me nuts have to top up a cash card (which is a major attraction point for thieves). Why can't we be trusted to pay an e-toll bill (post) if we are trusted enough to drive on the road?


So have your ERP charges billed directly to a credit card?

Like this? www.motorpay.com.sg

Doesn't work for car parks, but yeah, your ERP charges go directly to you credit card :roll:


That one charges a subscription fee though. If you have a newer ICU, you can get an NFC credit card compatible with CEPAS, like the Citi SMRT Platinum card.


OK. Good to know.

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Postby movingtospore » Wed, 26 Sep 2012 6:45 pm

I noticed today in the daily government mouthpiece an article warning people that they will face 8 to 10 years of congestion on such and such roads due to construction. LMAO. First, it already sucks. Second, is there any other place in the world where they could say such things with a straight face and not get laughed out of town? 10 years of inconvenience but it's all good??

I guess in their defense at least they think about long-term planning here? :roll:

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 26 Sep 2012 7:12 pm

movingtospore wrote:I noticed today in the daily government mouthpiece an article warning people that they will face 8 to 10 years of congestion on such and such roads due to construction. LMAO. First, it already sucks. Second, is there any other place in the world where they could say such things with a straight face and not get laughed out of town? 10 years of inconvenience but it's all good??

I guess in their defense at least they think about long-term planning here? :roll:


Honestly congestion here is nothing compared to most of the rest of the world.


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