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Landlord asked additional rental top-up after sign TA

Post by sweetguy23 » Mon, 17 Sep 2012 9:51 am

Hi guys,
Need your help on this.
I have rented this condo with a crazy LL and we signed the TA with the stamp duty and everything.
When we move-in on the 1st month, she keeps coming to the unit and check on us without our consent. The worst part is, she just entered the premise in the night without informing us and shouting.
We were helpless and frustrated at what she was doing. She even threaten to padlock with her set of lock and cut utilities if we don't give in to her demand additional $$$ on top of the agreed rental per month on TA.
I have signed a handwritten contract, stating that I agreed additional $$$ on the rental in order for her to stop coming in the house.
Now my question is:
1. Is the handwritten contract after a month signing the original TA is valid?
2. The handwritten contract don't have stamp duty. Is this contract valid?
3. Can both parties change or amend the agreed TA anytime?
4. If I go to SCT, do I have a case to recover the amount after TA expires? As I feel threatened by her actions and she admits she came from Instititute of Mental Health.
Thanks in advance

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Re: Landlord asked additional rental top-up after sign TA

Post by offshoreoildude » Mon, 17 Sep 2012 9:55 am

sweetguy23 wrote:Hi guys,
Need your help on this.
I have rented this condo with a crazy LL and we signed the TA with the stamp duty and everything.
When we move-in on the 1st month, she keeps coming to the unit and check on us without our consent. The worst part is, she just entered the premise in the night without informing us and shouting.
We were helpless and frustrated at what she was doing. She even threaten to padlock with her set of lock and cut utilities if we don't give in to her demand additional $$$ on top of the agreed rental per month on TA.
I have signed a handwritten contract, stating that I agreed additional $$$ on the rental in order for her to stop coming in the house.
Now my question is:
1. Is the handwritten contract after a month signing the original TA is valid?
2. The handwritten contract don't have stamp duty. Is this contract valid?
3. Can both parties change or amend the agreed TA anytime?
4. If I go to SCT, do I have a case to recover the amount after TA expires? As I feel threatened by her actions and she admits she came from Instititute of Mental Health.
Thanks in advance
This shit right here is why I bought and stopped renting. Singapore has thousands of con artist LL. You can fight this. The

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Re: Landlord asked additional rental top-up after sign TA

Post by offshoreoildude » Mon, 17 Sep 2012 9:55 am

sweetguy23 wrote:Hi guys,
Need your help on this.
I have rented this condo with a crazy LL and we signed the TA with the stamp duty and everything.
When we move-in on the 1st month, she keeps coming to the unit and check on us without our consent. The worst part is, she just entered the premise in the night without informing us and shouting.
We were helpless and frustrated at what she was doing. She even threaten to padlock with her set of lock and cut utilities if we don't give in to her demand additional $$$ on top of the agreed rental per month on TA.
I have signed a handwritten contract, stating that I agreed additional $$$ on the rental in order for her to stop coming in the house.
Now my question is:
1. Is the handwritten contract after a month signing the original TA is valid?
2. The handwritten contract don't have stamp duty. Is this contract valid?
3. Can both parties change or amend the agreed TA anytime?
4. If I go to SCT, do I have a case to recover the amount after TA expires? As I feel threatened by her actions and she admits she came from Instititute of Mental Health.
Thanks in advance
This shit right here is why I bought and stopped renting. Singapore has thousands of con artist LL. You can fight this. There are posts on this forum about fighting via small claims and tribunals.

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Re: Landlord asked additional rental top-up after sign TA

Post by zzm9980 » Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:02 am

sweetguy23 wrote:Hi guys,
Need your help on this.
I have rented this condo with a crazy LL and we signed the TA with the stamp duty and everything.
When we move-in on the 1st month, she keeps coming to the unit and check on us without our consent. The worst part is, she just entered the premise in the night without informing us and shouting.
We were helpless and frustrated at what she was doing. She even threaten to padlock with her set of lock and cut utilities if we don't give in to her demand additional $$$ on top of the agreed rental per month on TA.
I have signed a handwritten contract, stating that I agreed additional $$$ on the rental in order for her to stop coming in the house.
Now my question is:
1. Is the handwritten contract after a month signing the original TA is valid?
2. The handwritten contract don't have stamp duty. Is this contract valid?
3. Can both parties change or amend the agreed TA anytime?
4. If I go to SCT, do I have a case to recover the amount after TA expires? As I feel threatened by her actions and she admits she came from Instititute of Mental Health.
Thanks in advance
Why did you sign the additional contract? Did the original T/A state she was required to give notice to enter the unit or not?

I'm not a lawyer (and suggest you seek one), but if the original T/A didn't require her to give notice on entering, and you then signed a future agreement for said notice and agreeing to pay $X more for that, your case doesn't sound favorable to you. Seek a lawyer.

If the original T/A gave such privacy and she's now demanding more money for something that was already agreed upon, your case sounds better. Still not sure why you signed that hand-written contract...

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Re: Landlord asked additional rental top-up after sign TA

Post by sweetguy23 » Mon, 17 Sep 2012 3:33 pm

zzm9980 wrote:
sweetguy23 wrote:Hi guys,
Need your help on this.
I have rented this condo with a crazy LL and we signed the TA with the stamp duty and everything.
When we move-in on the 1st month, she keeps coming to the unit and check on us without our consent. The worst part is, she just entered the premise in the night without informing us and shouting.
We were helpless and frustrated at what she was doing. She even threaten to padlock with her set of lock and cut utilities if we don't give in to her demand additional $$$ on top of the agreed rental per month on TA.
I have signed a handwritten contract, stating that I agreed additional $$$ on the rental in order for her to stop coming in the house.
Now my question is:
1. Is the handwritten contract after a month signing the original TA is valid?
2. The handwritten contract don't have stamp duty. Is this contract valid?
3. Can both parties change or amend the agreed TA anytime?
4. If I go to SCT, do I have a case to recover the amount after TA expires? As I feel threatened by her actions and she admits she came from Instititute of Mental Health.
Thanks in advance
Why did you sign the additional contract? Did the original T/A state she was required to give notice to enter the unit or not?

I'm not a lawyer (and suggest you seek one), but if the original T/A didn't require her to give notice on entering, and you then signed a future agreement for said notice and agreeing to pay $X more for that, your case doesn't sound favorable to you. Seek a lawyer.

If the original T/A gave such privacy and she's now demanding more money for something that was already agreed upon, your case sounds better. Still not sure why you signed that hand-written contract...
@zzm9980: I signed the handwritten contract because we are already stressed from the harrassment and intimidation of the LL. She threatens to padlock the door and cut utilities. Always my daughter and maid is only left most of the day at the unit.
The orig TA mention the Quient Enjoyment of the premise. And LL should advise if she will come or not.
But this LL is crazy (She admitted she is member mental hospital here in Singapore) and difficult to argue with her.
I gave in to the additional $$$ because I really plan to go SCT to get that money. As if I don't give in to what she wants then she will keep harassing us everyday.
If I file within the TA to claim the said amount at SCT. Definitely she will harass me more than she already done.
Take note that the handwritten contract was not stamp dutied. And the handwritten contract was written on a scratch paper print out.
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Re: Landlord asked additional rental top-up after sign TA

Post by JayCee » Mon, 17 Sep 2012 4:16 pm

sweetguy23 wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:
sweetguy23 wrote:Hi guys,
Need your help on this.
I have rented this condo with a crazy LL and we signed the TA with the stamp duty and everything.
When we move-in on the 1st month, she keeps coming to the unit and check on us without our consent. The worst part is, she just entered the premise in the night without informing us and shouting.
We were helpless and frustrated at what she was doing. She even threaten to padlock with her set of lock and cut utilities if we don't give in to her demand additional $$$ on top of the agreed rental per month on TA.
I have signed a handwritten contract, stating that I agreed additional $$$ on the rental in order for her to stop coming in the house.
Now my question is:
1. Is the handwritten contract after a month signing the original TA is valid?
2. The handwritten contract don't have stamp duty. Is this contract valid?
3. Can both parties change or amend the agreed TA anytime?
4. If I go to SCT, do I have a case to recover the amount after TA expires? As I feel threatened by her actions and she admits she came from Instititute of Mental Health.
Thanks in advance
Why did you sign the additional contract? Did the original T/A state she was required to give notice to enter the unit or not?

I'm not a lawyer (and suggest you seek one), but if the original T/A didn't require her to give notice on entering, and you then signed a future agreement for said notice and agreeing to pay $X more for that, your case doesn't sound favorable to you. Seek a lawyer.

If the original T/A gave such privacy and she's now demanding more money for something that was already agreed upon, your case sounds better. Still not sure why you signed that hand-written contract...
@zzm9980: I signed the handwritten contract because we are already stressed from the harrassment and intimidation of the LL. She threatens to padlock the door and cut utilities. Always my daughter and maid is only left most of the day at the unit.
The orig TA mention the Quient Enjoyment of the premise. And LL should advise if she will come or not.
But this LL is crazy (She admitted she is member mental hospital here in Singapore) and difficult to argue with her.
I gave in to the additional $$$ because I really plan to go SCT to get that money. As if I don't give in to what she wants then she will keep harassing us everyday.
If I file within the TA to claim the said amount at SCT. Definitely she will harass me more than she already done.
Take note that the handwritten contract was not stamp dutied. And the handwritten contract was written on a scratch paper print out.
Thanks
You should have called the police when she entered your home without permission the first time. As it is, I'd warn her that if she does such a thing again that's exactly what you will do, and you won't be paying her any extra rent, and buy a couple of padlocks of your own to put on the door so she can't try and barge her way in if you're out at work and inform the maid to call the police if she tries
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Post by nutnut » Mon, 17 Sep 2012 4:17 pm

Did you sign "Mickey Mouse"? I would have, then I would have called the locksmith immediately to change the locks, also, if it's a condo (secured environment), then she doesn't have rights to come into the condo whilst she is non resident. You should inform the security about this to not let her in.

The fact she has keys/key-cards/access is a security risk for one and a contravention of the TA IMO, she hasn't just let you stay there, she has rented out the right to enter as well. You should call the police about the entering in the middle of the night, if this is against your tenancy then it is trespassing.

That's what I think, but, I am no contract lawyer, so others may know different. Personally, I'd look at seeing your agent and getting out of the contract ASAP ensuring that you get your deposit back.

Time for a solicitor.
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Re: Landlord asked additional rental top-up after sign TA

Post by x9200 » Mon, 17 Sep 2012 4:18 pm

sweetguy23 wrote:Now my question is:
1. Is the handwritten contract after a month signing the original TA is valid?

Most likely yes

2. The handwritten contract don't have stamp duty. Is this contract valid?

IMO yes, it's valid.

3. Can both parties change or amend the agreed TA anytime?

Yes. Typically there is a clause in TA stating it requires to be in writing and of course both parties has to agree on this.

4. If I go to SCT, do I have a case to recover the amount after TA expires? As I feel threatened by her actions and she admits she came from Instititute of Mental Health.
Thanks in advance
IMO again, you will have a chance if she gets charged for threatening and blackmailing you. Her, being a patent of a mental health institution means nothing unless she is legally incapacitated. In such case your whole TA is void if she was a signing party.

You should have called police at the time she enter the premises without your consent. Even if she is a LL this is IMO still a trespassing.

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Post by sweetguy23 » Mon, 17 Sep 2012 4:28 pm

Hi Guys,

This happened 11 months ago. And the contract already ended last month. I feel it is the right time to file the claim as she cannot threaten me anymore. But still she is holding on to my security deposit and asking ridiculous claims that I need to repair etc.
So I am filing a claim at SCT for both:
1. Security deposit not returned after 14 days handover
2. Additional $$$ top up on the agreed TA

I have evidence by text message that she threaten to padlock the door and cut utilities if I don't pay her extra $$$.

And yes, I have called the police after she enter without my consent. And she was escorted 2x by the police to get out the unit.
Tried also asking the mgmt to block the access card that she have. Reply of mgmt? She has the right to have it as she owns the place.
If only I knew that landlord here in Singapore will be greedy and evil.
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Post by x9200 » Mon, 17 Sep 2012 4:39 pm

So what the police said on escorting her out? Why didn't you press any charges?

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Post by nutnut » Mon, 17 Sep 2012 4:42 pm

This is a very unfortunate situation, sorry to hear this. It appears that you may have more difficulty now since this is 11 months later, the fact you have been paying the additional amount is probably considered acceptance of the terms she stated.

The management and the police sound like they could have done more to help you but they didn't. Very poor, IMO when you rent your unit you don't have access to it, otherwise, everyone can just enter, the management company should also be accountable for this, since they effectively assisted the LL access!

Hopefully you will win the case for the deposit, although, we are only hearing one side of the story, as far as we know you could have been a terrible tenant and made a right old mess, but, assuming you weren't then you should be able to win.

Good luck! maybe seek legal advice earlier next time.
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Post by offshoreoildude » Mon, 17 Sep 2012 5:22 pm

x9200 wrote:So what the police said on escorting her out? Why didn't you press any charges?
BEcause like me he probably realizes that it's a waster of paper. The SPF are NEVER interested in non seizable offences. They would have round filed his report within 60 seconds of him leaving the station.

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Post by x9200 » Mon, 17 Sep 2012 6:06 pm

The trouble is that they would probably need to justify why nothing was done so it would be just a matter of persistence from OP to get it done right. They have here everything served on the plate so what would be the excuse?

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Post by zzm9980 » Mon, 17 Sep 2012 7:39 pm

offshoreoildude wrote:
x9200 wrote:So what the police said on escorting her out? Why didn't you press any charges?
BEcause like me he probably realizes that it's a waster of paper. The SPF are NEVER interested in non seizable offences. They would have round filed his report within 60 seconds of him leaving the station.
Right, but the OP can keep their copy of the report for future action.

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Post by offshoreoildude » Mon, 17 Sep 2012 8:20 pm

zzm9980 wrote:
offshoreoildude wrote:
x9200 wrote:So what the police said on escorting her out? Why didn't you press any charges?
BEcause like me he probably realizes that it's a waster of paper. The SPF are NEVER interested in non seizable offences. They would have round filed his report within 60 seconds of him leaving the station.
Right, but the OP can keep their copy of the report for future action.
What for? Another useless report?

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