30% of EP, S-Pass applicants rejected so far this year

Post by **nakatago** » Thu, 20 Sep 2012 1:49 pm

revhappy wrote:On one hand they say, there should be no workplace descrimination on the basis of Race, Sex or Age.

This is Singapore.

'nuff said.

Barnsley · Post by **Barnsley** » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 8:16 pm

Following up from my post in this topic before I went away on holiday. Just got back to work to find that the appeal for one of our programmers on S-Pass has been rejected.

Her last day is on Friday.

She was from Myanmar and had been with the company two years.

We will struggle to get a local/PR in on the money we offer.

revhappy · Post by **revhappy** » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 9:14 pm

vestapo · Post by **vestapo** » Tue, 02 Oct 2012 9:34 pm

Barnsley wrote:Following up from my post in this topic before I went away on holiday. Just got back to work to find that the appeal for one of our programmers on S-Pass has been rejected.

Her last day is on Friday.

She was from Myanmar and had been with the company two years.

We will struggle to get a local/PR in on the money we offer.

How much is her salary, why don't you pay her more so that you don't have to retrain someone and keep her on a Q pass? S Pass needs higher level of qualification now I think, in my company there is an S pass with salary of 3.6K and a degree holder

v4jr4 · Post by **v4jr4** » Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:55 am

Barnsley wrote:Following up from my post in this topic before I went away on holiday. Just got back to work to find that the appeal for one of our programmers on S-Pass has been rejected.

Her last day is on Friday.

She was from Myanmar and had been with the company two years.

We will struggle to get a local/PR in on the money we offer.

As for my boss, I'm not sure why he doesn't want to hire local for the development related stuff since he's trying to look for another FT from Chennai. The result? I'm not surprised if the application is rejected although the salary mentioned in the document is almost near to P2 (around 27-28 years old).

Barnsley · Post by **Barnsley** » Wed, 03 Oct 2012 10:36 am

vestapo wrote:
Barnsley wrote:Following up from my post in this topic before I went away on holiday. Just got back to work to find that the appeal for one of our programmers on S-Pass has been rejected.

Her last day is on Friday.

She was from Myanmar and had been with the company two years.

We will struggle to get a local/PR in on the money we offer.
How much is her salary, why don't you pay her more so that you don't have to retrain someone and keep her on a Q pass? S Pass needs higher level of qualification now I think, in my company there is an S pass with salary of 3.6K and a degree holder

I have no clue what the salary is but I suspect it wasn't much above $2K if that.

ecureilx · Post by **ecureilx** » Wed, 03 Oct 2012 10:47 am

Barnsley wrote:
vestapo wrote:
Barnsley wrote:Following up from my post in this topic before I went away on holiday. Just got back to work to find that the appeal for one of our programmers on S-Pass has been rejected.

Her last day is on Friday.

She was from Myanmar and had been with the company two years.

We will struggle to get a local/PR in on the money we offer.
How much is her salary, why don't you pay her more so that you don't have to retrain someone and keep her on a Q pass? S Pass needs higher level of qualification now I think, in my company there is an S pass with salary of 3.6K and a degree holder
I have no clue what the salary is but I suspect it wasn't much above $2K if that.

And MOM may doubt 'sudden pay rises' ..

the lynx · Post by **the lynx** » Wed, 03 Oct 2012 10:47 am

Barnsley wrote:
vestapo wrote:
Barnsley wrote:Following up from my post in this topic before I went away on holiday. Just got back to work to find that the appeal for one of our programmers on S-Pass has been rejected.

Her last day is on Friday.

She was from Myanmar and had been with the company two years.

We will struggle to get a local/PR in on the money we offer.
How much is her salary, why don't you pay her more so that you don't have to retrain someone and keep her on a Q pass? S Pass needs higher level of qualification now I think, in my company there is an S pass with salary of 3.6K and a degree holder
I have no clue what the salary is but I suspect it wasn't much above $2K if that.

Wow that's very low...

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:35 am

It's not, if they are coming from Myanmar. (All my S pass holders, with the exception of 3, are from Myanmar).

the lynx · Post by **the lynx** » Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:41 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:It's not, if they are coming from Myanmar. (All my S pass holders, with the exception of 3, are from Myanmar).

Still, too low for a programmer.

I personally think that salary shouldn't be based and calibrated to the salary they would've earned in home country. It should be based on their actual worth in their vocation in the country they are serving.

v4jr4 · Post by **v4jr4** » Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:44 am

the lynx wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:It's not, if they are coming from Myanmar. (All my S pass holders, with the exception of 3, are from Myanmar).
Still, too low for a programmer.

I personally think that salary shouldn't be based and calibrated to the salary they would've earned in home country. It should be based on their actual worth in their vocation in the country they are serving.

The exchange rate for SGD-Kyat is stronger compared to SGD-IDR. I guess they can save very little with salary less than 2K.

zzm9980 · Post by **zzm9980** » Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:46 am

This week I'm at the SG offices of some of the Indian companies we contract with. The discussion yesterday was around how it is difficult for them to get their lower paid employees in on EPs now. But the HR guy followed up with (paraphrased): "It will be better for us though, because now we can hire locals for much lower than the high rates we used to pay to get the passes approved!".

I wasn't sure if I should have laughed or cried.

ecureilx · Post by **ecureilx** » Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:50 am

v4jr4 wrote:The exchange rate for SGD-Kyat is stronger compared to SGD-IDR. I guess they can save very little with salary less than 2K.

Sometime ago, it was like follows ...

"Your exchange rate is based on the official Government rate of $1 = 6 kyats.
In reality, the rate is more like $1 = 800 kyats."

I understand the rates have been revised .. not sure how that went ..

revhappy · Post by **revhappy** » Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:51 am

Its not the actual exchange rate that matters. For example SGD-INR is stronger than SGD-Yen but that doesnt mean India cost of living is higher than Japan.

Same thing for your own country Rupiah may seem dirt cheap, but then everybody there deals in Millions and Billions

revhappy · Post by **revhappy** » Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:57 am

v4jr4 wrote:
Barnsley wrote:Following up from my post in this topic before I went away on holiday. Just got back to work to find that the appeal for one of our programmers on S-Pass has been rejected.

Her last day is on Friday.

She was from Myanmar and had been with the company two years.

We will struggle to get a local/PR in on the money we offer.
As for my boss, I'm not sure why he doesn't want to hire local for the development related stuff since he's trying to look for another FT from Chennai. The result? I'm not surprised if the application is rejected although the salary mentioned in the document is almost near to P2 (around 27-28 years old).

Why do you think application will be rejected? If they file for P2 pass and he/she is qualified he/she should get it.

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