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Postby v4jr4 » Thu, 13 Sep 2012 2:38 pm

revhappy wrote:But why would you want to take crap from another country.


I can't really say about the "crap" part, but comparing the situation of Singapore and my country, Singapore still wins. Some people that I know always complain about certain things (food not nice la, weather so hot la, etc). They tend to forget the real crap if they go back to their hometown :lol:
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Postby revhappy » Thu, 13 Sep 2012 2:48 pm

v4jr4 wrote:
revhappy wrote:But why would you want to take crap from another country.


I can't really say about the "crap" part, but comparing the situation of Singapore and my country, Singapore still wins. Some people that I know always complain about certain things (food not nice la, weather so hot la, etc). They tend to forget the real crap if they go back to their hometown :lol:


I agree with what you say. When things are going nice, then yes you will love this place compared to back home. But when things are tough, thats the real test. In your own country, when things get tough you have the support system. Your family, friends, you can stay jobless and still stay with your parents for months.

But foreigner country when things get tough, its not easy.

In your own country its your own people, you are never looked at suspiciously, nor you need to be embarrased with what you do. Foreign country, you always not yourself, you are just pretending to be someone else. Things are good now here but no guarantee that it will always remain like this.

When sars happened here, do you know how many foreigners fled from here? Same thing when earth quake hit Japan.Locals ofcourse no choice, they have to stay back, but they have the support system, family, friends and gahmen too. If a disaster hits then as a foreigner more often than not you are going to go back to your loved ones, no matter how bad your country is.

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Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 13 Sep 2012 4:34 pm

the lynx wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:Hey, I understood (part) of it! :p


Which one? The one with digit '3000'? :cool:


I can read that it's 3000/month for work. I just can't tell what kind of work. Didn't study enough characters for cleaning dishes I guess :P

yue xing 3000 yuan = 3000 yuan a month, just assuming yuan in this case also means SGD :p

qing bu dao something something gong = can't find something work.
The first something looks like the 'qing' for clear, as in see-through...

edit: yep, qingjie means clean. so with gong, guessing worker. I should really study again. Then I could talk to all of the PRCs and the locals would really hate me :)

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Postby the lynx » Thu, 13 Sep 2012 4:52 pm

zzm9980 wrote:
the lynx wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:Hey, I understood (part) of it! :p


Which one? The one with digit '3000'? :cool:


I can read that it's 3000/month for work. I just can't tell what kind of work. Didn't study enough characters for cleaning dishes I guess :P

yue xing 3000 yuan = 3000 yuan a month, just assuming yuan in this case also means SGD :p

qing bu dao something something gong = can't find something work.
The first something looks like the 'qing' for clear, as in see-through...

edit: yep, qingjie means clean. so with gong, guessing worker. I should really study again. Then I could talk to all of the PRCs and the locals would really hate me :)


Actually my rudimentary Chinese reading says something like this:

The Sakae Sushi management is (announcing) that for $3000 salary per month, they only have to clean less than actual cleaners.

Native Chinese readers please help me out with this.

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 13 Sep 2012 5:06 pm

the lynx wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:
the lynx wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:Hey, I understood (part) of it! :p


Which one? The one with digit '3000'? :cool:


I can read that it's 3000/month for work. I just can't tell what kind of work. Didn't study enough characters for cleaning dishes I guess :P

yue xing 3000 yuan = 3000 yuan a month, just assuming yuan in this case also means SGD :p

qing bu dao something something gong = can't find something work.
The first something looks like the 'qing' for clear, as in see-through...

edit: yep, qingjie means clean. so with gong, guessing worker. I should really study again. Then I could talk to all of the PRCs and the locals would really hate me :)


Actually my rudimentary Chinese reading says something like this:

The Sakae Sushi management is (announcing) that for $3000 salary per month, they only have to clean less than actual cleaners.

Native Chinese readers please help me out with this.


My colleague says "CANT CLEANER WITH ESS THAN 3,000" .. whatever that means in Chinese :)

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Postby v4jr4 » Thu, 13 Sep 2012 6:00 pm

revhappy wrote:In your own country its your own people, you are never looked at suspiciously, nor you need to be embarrased with what you do. Foreign country, you always not yourself, you are just pretending to be someone else. Things are good now here but no guarantee that it will always remain like this.


It was, until 1998 happened. It leaves a big scar, especially for the Chinese Indonesians. I agree that nothing last forever, but on a time like this, money does matter :D

revhappy wrote:When sars happened here, do you know how many foreigners fled from here? Same thing when earth quake hit Japan.Locals ofcourse no choice, they have to stay back, but they have the support system, family, friends and gahmen too. If a disaster hits then as a foreigner more often than not you are going to go back to your loved ones, no matter how bad your country is.


Ah, that one. Since I come from Indonesia, it won't change the fact that some people in Indonesia also died because of SARS. And, well, I don't have to pull out the bombs related accidents in Indonesia :-|
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Postby ScoobyDoes » Fri, 14 Sep 2012 5:07 pm

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nakatago wrote:like what SMS said, not really safe. Safer, yes (in the sense that MOM doesn't have to decide on my fate until renewal time) but if ever the order comes to tell MOM to review my status, nothing's stopping them.


Well, if MOM thinks it's easy to find new recruits to replace seniors in a blink of an eye, I can't say anything :-|



It didn't stop them cancelling my pass first......before re-instating on appeal.
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Postby therat » Fri, 14 Sep 2012 7:05 pm

ecureilx wrote:
the lynx wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:
the lynx wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:Hey, I understood (part) of it! :p


Which one? The one with digit '3000'? :cool:


I can read that it's 3000/month for work. I just can't tell what kind of work. Didn't study enough characters for cleaning dishes I guess :P

yue xing 3000 yuan = 3000 yuan a month, just assuming yuan in this case also means SGD :p

qing bu dao something something gong = can't find something work.
The first something looks like the 'qing' for clear, as in see-through...

edit: yep, qingjie means clean. so with gong, guessing worker. I should really study again. Then I could talk to all of the PRCs and the locals would really hate me :)


Actually my rudimentary Chinese reading says something like this:

The Sakae Sushi management is (announcing) that for $3000 salary per month, they only have to clean less than actual cleaners.

Native Chinese readers please help me out with this.


My colleague says "CANT CLEANER WITH ESS THAN 3,000" .. whatever that means in Chinese :)


Your colleague chinese <slap_head>
He or she convert word by word?

Chinese newspaper say
Even with the offering of $3000 monthly salary, the company can't find a cleaner.

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Postby therat » Fri, 14 Sep 2012 7:12 pm

Ok..

The company has explain more about the job responsible for the $3000 cleaner

job involved would be very physically demanding and included other cleaning responsibilities apart from dish washing.

the job involved a 12-hour workday and six-day workweek.

Working hours were from 10.30am to 10.30pm, with breaks included.

$3,000 salary was inclusive of overtime pay, and the 72-hour workweek requirement was therefore not against the rules set by the Act.

The news post at asiaone

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Postby zzm9980 » Fri, 14 Sep 2012 7:37 pm

therat wrote:Ok..

The company has explain more about the job responsible for the $3000 cleaner

job involved would be very physically demanding and included other cleaning responsibilities apart from dish washing.

the job involved a 12-hour workday and six-day workweek.

Working hours were from 10.30am to 10.30pm, with breaks included.

$3,000 salary was inclusive of overtime pay, and the 72-hour workweek requirement was therefore not against the rules set by the Act.

The news post at asiaone


Not very appealing. Who the hell would want to work 72 hour weeks doing cleaning and hard labor? I'd rather work in a Foxconn assembly line

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Postby v4jr4 » Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:20 am

Update: EP renewal for one of the staff (almost 4 years working in Singapore) is rejected. Q range salary, Chinese-Indonesia 30 years old, single. What can I say :-|
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Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:06 am

v4jr4 wrote:Update: EP renewal for one of the staff (almost 4 years working in Singapore) is rejected. Q range salary, Chinese-Indonesia 30 years old, single. What can I say :-|


The age probably has something to do with it. MOM is probably wondering why the salary is still only in Q1 range if he's been here four years and 30.

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Young graduates from good institutions could qualify if they earn at least $3,000
Older applicants would have to command higher salaries to qualify, commensurate with the work experience and quality they are expected to bring

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Postby v4jr4 » Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:20 am

zzm9980 wrote:
v4jr4 wrote:Update: EP renewal for one of the staff (almost 4 years working in Singapore) is rejected. Q range salary, Chinese-Indonesia 30 years old, single. What can I say :-|


The age probably has something to do with it. MOM is probably wondering why the salary is still only in Q1 range if he's been here four years and 30.

Q1 Employment Pass
Young graduates from good institutions could qualify if they earn at least $3,000
Older applicants would have to command higher salaries to qualify, commensurate with the work experience and quality they are expected to bring


"Upgrading" the salary in an instant won't help either. Downgrade EP to S-pass can't be done due to the quota (that's what the HR said). I guess, two options left: appeal, or "this-is-it".
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Postby revhappy » Thu, 20 Sep 2012 1:41 pm

zzm9980 wrote:
v4jr4 wrote:Update: EP renewal for one of the staff (almost 4 years working in Singapore) is rejected. Q range salary, Chinese-Indonesia 30 years old, single. What can I say :-|


The age probably has something to do with it. MOM is probably wondering why the salary is still only in Q1 range if he's been here four years and 30.

Q1 Employment Pass
Young graduates from good institutions could qualify if they earn at least $3,000
Older applicants would have to command higher salaries to qualify, commensurate with the work experience and quality they are expected to bring


On one hand they say, there should be no workplace descrimination on the basis of Race, Sex or Age. But on the other the expect older employees to keep upgrading, kind of unfair.

What if an employee is doing a really good job but is happy doing what he is doing? He is not asking for a hike so why not let the poor guy alone?

If you go to Detroit car factories, you will find really passionate workers there who have been doing the same thing since decades. In America, they have dignity of labour, its only in Asia this rat race :x
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Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 20 Sep 2012 1:45 pm

revhappy wrote:On one hand they say, there should be no workplace descrimination on the basis of Race, Sex or Age. But on the other the expect older employees to keep upgrading, kind of unfair.

What if an employee is doing a really good job but is happy doing what he is doing? He is not asking for a hike so why not let the poor guy alone?


If you see above in this thread, we have confirmation from MOM that they factor the ratio of how old a person is vs how much they make in determining EP validity. We don't know what their ratios are though.

And of course what you speak of doesn't apply to foreigners :P


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