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Issue with New Employer.

Postby ramesh2012 » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 2:30 am

Hi Experts,

I am staying in Singapore in EP Pass for past one year. I got a new offer from a Employer(consultant) recently.

It was mentioned in the offer letter that if i leave the company in a year i have to pay the recruitment cost which is equivalent to one month Salary.
I asked the HR if the recruitment cost is applicable to me and even told i am not interested with the offer if this is applicable to me.

The HR said this is applicable only for the people who come from other country (Since their Initial Accommodation, flight charges and relocation charges are paid by the employer) and since i am in Singapore already this is not applicable to me.

I asked the HR to confirm the same on the EMail and the HR agreed for this. I signed the offer letter and gave it to the HR.
But however the HR did not send the confirmation mail. I have sent 2 mails to the HR asking to confirm it.
Still he has not confirmed it. When i called the HR on his mobile he said he did not receive any such mails , But he confirmed that he will send the mail regarding the recruitment cost.
But still he did not send it.

When i went to employers office and asked , he changed his words told it is applicable to me as well.


Now the new employer(consultant) has applied for my EP and my IPA is approved.

The employer is not transparent and honest. They are cheating and made me sign the offer and latter they said it is applicable to me as well.

They denied that they did not receive my 2 Emails.
Hence i am not willing to join the new employer.

The Joining date is on 17th Sep.

Please let me know how to come out of this.


Thanks for the help

Regards,
Ramesh


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Postby offshoreoildude » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 8:58 am

No mate. You're the cheating, dishonest shit. You took a job which cost your employer money to fill and now you're whinging because they want to recoup the cost of filling your position. Do us all a favour and freak off out of Singapore.

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Postby Darthcoder » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 9:22 am

If you are getting a good hike then why dont you stick around for an year? What is wrong in sticking around for an year so that you dont have to pay the extra cost? Or are you looking at changing jobs even before completing an year?
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Re: Issue with New Employer.

Postby the lynx » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 9:52 am

ramesh2012 wrote:Hi Experts,

I am staying in Singapore in EP Pass for past one year. I got a new offer from a Employer(consultant) recently.

It was mentioned in the offer letter that if i leave the company in a year i have to pay the recruitment cost which is equivalent to one month Salary.
I asked the HR if the recruitment cost is applicable to me and even told i am not interested with the offer if this is applicable to me.

This is for your first employer right?

The HR said this is applicable only for the people who come from other country (Since their Initial Accommodation, flight charges and relocation charges are paid by the employer) and since i am in Singapore already this is not applicable to me.

You mean you're already in Singapore before you received your current job offer?

I asked the HR to confirm the same on the EMail and the HR agreed for this. I signed the offer letter and gave it to the HR.
But however the HR did not send the confirmation mail. I have sent 2 mails to the HR asking to confirm it.
Still he has not confirmed it. When i called the HR on his mobile he said he did not receive any such mails , But he confirmed that he will send the mail regarding the recruitment cost.
But still he did not send it.

You meant for the last one year you have worked for this employer, they didn't send you any written confirmation about the exemption?

Seriously, if this is very important, you shouldn't have signed it in the first place. You already dug your own grave.


When i went to employers office and asked , he changed his words told it is applicable to me as well.


Now the new employer(consultant) has applied for my EP and my IPA is approved.

The employer is not transparent and honest. They are cheating and made me sign the offer and latter they said it is applicable to me as well.

Well if the exemption was not mentioned in black and white, you only have yourself to blame.

They denied that they did not receive my 2 Emails.
Hence i am not willing to join the new employer.

So this is about your first employer or new employer?

The Joining date is on 17th Sep.



Please let me know how to come out of this.


Thanks for the help

Regards,
Ramesh


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OSOD and Darthcoder, I think his issue is with the new employer, not the current one, although I have to admit, OP's post is very confusing.

Anyway Ramesh, if it is the new employer that you're describing, you can still bail out of the IPA because your new EP has not been issued yet. Just have them to withdraw your current IPA and keep working with your current employer until you find a (better) employer. Considered as lesson learnt: Always have everything in black and white.

Although the withdrawal will have an impact on your future EP applications but your priority of one-month's salary is higher than future EP applications so it is your consideration.

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Postby ramesh2012 » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:05 am

@ offshoreoildude, you can shut your ass. If you can’t understand please get out. I don’t need your advice. Learn to speak professionally.

You consider the above "speaking professionally? - moderator

The new employer was a consultant, he did not pay anything for my recruitment, like initial stay, flight charges, relocation charges. But those things were
Mentioned in the offer I did tell the HR i am not interested in the offer if this is mentioned. He said this is not applicable to me as they have not spent money on these and then i signed the offer.
How would you feel when someone did not pay anything for your recruitment but have it mentioned in the offer letter? You are so generous that you will sign it?
I signed it based on the confirmation from HR that this is not applicable to me and I was informed that this would be communicated in mail.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:13 am

ramesh2012 wrote:@ offshoreoildude, you can shut your ass. If you can’t understand please get out. I don’t need your advice. Learn to speak professionally.

The new employer was a consultant, he did not pay anything for my recruitment, like initial stay, flight charges, relocation charges. But those things were
Mentioned in the offer I did tell the HR i am not interested in the offer if this is mentioned. He said this is not applicable to me as they have not spent money on these and then i signed the offer.
How would you feel when someone did not pay anything for your recruitment but have it mentioned in the offer letter? You are so generous that you will sign it?
I signed it based on the confirmation from HR that this is not applicable to me and I was informed that this would be communicated in mail.


You are a real winner... NOT!!!

You said it yourself in your original post... I got a new offer from a Employer(consultant) recently. It was mentioned in the offer letter that if i leave the company in a year i have to pay the recruitment cost which is equivalent to one month Salary.

How much more clear does it need to be? Your stupid excuses that somehow HR told you verbally differently just don't hold water. And neither does the crap that the consultant "did not pay anything". It doesn't matter whether he paid or not... the terms of your employment were stated very clearly in your offer letter.

But you don't have the integrity to either follow the terms or reject the offer. Instead, you want to weasel into a special deal. Don't EVER come asking me for a job.

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Re: Issue with New Employer.

Postby zzm9980 » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:15 am

ramesh2012 wrote:I asked the HR to confirm the same on the EMail and the HR agreed for this. I signed the offer letter and gave it to the HR.
But however the HR did not send the confirmation mail.

The employer is not transparent and honest. They are cheating and made me sign the offer and latter they said it is applicable to me as well.



They didn't make you do anything. You signed the letter of your own volition before receiving written confirmation.

You should never have signed a contract with the phrase you did not agree to. Or minimally, you should have struck it from the contract when you signed.

You have only yourself to blame. I would personally not make a big stink of this and just stick with the job. A year is not a long time. Are you planning to leave so soon already anyway?
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Postby the lynx » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:16 am

ramesh2012 wrote:The new employer was a consultant, he did not pay anything for my recruitment, like initial stay, flight charges, relocation charges. But those things were
Mentioned in the offer I did tell the HR i am not interested in the offer if this is mentioned. He said this is not applicable to me as they have not spent money on these and then i signed the offer.
How would you feel when someone did not pay anything for your recruitment but have it mentioned in the offer letter? You are so generous that you will sign it?
I signed it based on the confirmation from HR that this is not applicable to me and I was informed that this would be communicated in mail.


OK so it is about the new employer.

The thing about one-month salary levy is that it is normal across the board. Regardless if you're a foreigner coming in from outside or a local, this rule still applies because it is not about the relocation cost, but also the cost to have you trained, orientation etc, levies or fees to MOM, medical check-up etc as well as the productivity lost (to have you trained and then to lose you short of the one-year contract).

Check your offer letter. Did it specifically say anything that the one-month salary is FOR THE RELOCATION alone? Chances are it is not, and if it is not, then it is the standard one-month for less-than-one-year employment.

You can either walk away from this new employer (since there is already trust issue) or take it up and work for one year. Besides one year is not too bad. From my experience, only those who have the reputation/habit of hopping around will really worry about the one-year clause. Most people do not have problem with it.

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Postby ramesh2012 » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:19 am

@Darthcoder : Thanks for your reply.
Couple of things here.
1) I was working for a Employer A for past one year.
Unfortunately the contract was outsourced to Philippines. Hence everyone lost the job.
The new offer from Employer B is 15% less than my present salary with Employer A. I accepted the offer since i did not have Any other offers in hand. Moreover i accepted based on the condition which the HR confirmed me.

2)My problem is the new employer B is not honest and transparent. He is telling lies and cheating.
For ex: My Employer B did not tell me that recruitment cost is applicable to me till i cancelled my EP from Employer A.
It was only after my EP cancellation from Employer A i was informed about this.

If the employer is cheating, telling lies now itself not sure how long it is going to be in the future.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:28 am

ramesh2012 wrote:@Darthcoder : Thanks for your reply.
Couple of things here.
1) I was working for a Employer A for past one year.
Unfortunately the contract was outsourced to Philippines. Hence everyone lost the job.
The new offer from Employer B is 15% less than my present salary with Employer A. I accepted the offer since i did not have Any other offers in hand. Moreover i accepted based on the condition which the HR confirmed me.

2)My problem is the new employer B is not honest and transparent. He is telling lies and cheating.
For ex: My Employer B did not tell me that recruitment cost is applicable to me till i cancelled my EP from Employer A.

It was only after my EP cancellation from Employer A i was informed about this.

If the employer is cheating, telling lies now itself not sure how long it is going to be in the future.


How can that be a true statement. You were told in the OFFER LETTER that you would pay a penalty for leaving early.

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Postby ramesh2012 » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:29 am

@ Strong Eagle:

As said to @offshoreoildude, The same applies to you. You can shut your ass.

Again, your lack of professionalism shows itself - moderator

Based the agreement with HR only i signed the offer. I told the HR i am not interested in joining or even ready to sign it this clause exist.
If the HR was true why did he first accepted and latter reject his own words?

Talk about other people's spelling mistakes? - moderator

Why did he tell lies that my emails to him was not received?

How do you know it was a lie? - what proof do you have? Your computer might have a virus and their scanners deleted it? It could have been determined as spam and deleted as well - moderator

again , it was only after my employer A cancelled my EP this was informed.

Dont you find this is cheating. Looks like you do the same every day, so you dont feel it.

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Postby ramesh2012 » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:33 am

@Strong Eagle:

If you cannot understand, Better please keep out of this discussion

1) Before i signed the offer the HR told me this is not applicable to me. Then i singed it.
He confirmed me to send it in Email. Then i singed it.

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Postby v4jr4 » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:36 am

A verbal agreement? It's your loss since you don't have any written evidences.
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Postby ramesh2012 » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:36 am

@the lynx : Thanks for your replies sir. You have been very considerate.

I dont have a problem in paying the employer B if the amount was spent. According to the offer
the only amount spent was for my IPA. No training cost as i am yet to join, no relocation charge, no intial stay,
no flight charges. So only the money spent for IPA is from my Emplyer B.

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Postby ramesh2012 » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:41 am

@zzm9980 : Thanks for your replies too.

I totally agree it was my mistake also to beleive the HR and sign it.

i dont have the plans of leaving but worried about my employer as he is not transparent and cheating before i have joined itself.


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