Apple will have to pry my Samsung SIII from my dead hands.

offshoreoildude · Post by **offshoreoildude** » Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:44 pm

They'll have to kill me and pry my SIII from my cold, dead hands before I'll give it up.

Singapore Constitutional Amendment mah?

nutnut · Post by **nutnut** » Fri, 31 Aug 2012 8:37 am

Their recent court ruling doesn't include the SIII

Otherwise they'd have a fight from me too!

zzm9980 · Post by **zzm9980** » Fri, 31 Aug 2012 1:49 pm

offshoreoildude wrote:They'll have to kill me and pry my SIII from my cold, dead hands before I'll give it up.

Singapore Constitutional Amendment mah?

SIII throws off so much heat your hands won't be that cold, don't worry.

Post by **nakatago** » Fri, 31 Aug 2012 1:52 pm

Even they can't take away an SII if you had one.

If you do, better hold on to it as it may became a collector's item.

sensei_ · Post by **sensei_** » Fri, 31 Aug 2012 2:01 pm

apple are such hypocrites anyway.

app store was derived from the cydia store
imessage was derived from whatsapp
facetime from skype
notification centre from windows mobile/android (swiping motion)/lockinfo (jailbreak app)
wifi syncing ripped off a developer who developed wifi syncing way earlier

apple have no problems ripping off ideas from others and passing them on their own, yet they dont like it when its done to them.

zzm9980 · Post by **zzm9980** » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 5:42 am

They actually hired the lockinfo (and I think Wifi sync) developer(s) to make those features for them.

Besides that, everyone copies everyone. The nuances of US patent law allows certain things to be protected, and others not. If you could sue for just anything, there would be a lot more lawsuits.

Android before original iPhone announcement (look familiar?):

Post by **x9200** » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 8:07 am

sensei_ wrote:apple are such hypocrites anyway.

app store was derived from the cydia store

Why do you think so? And derived? What do you mean by this?

Post by **nakatago** » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 9:16 am

Android from the get go already supports touch screen even before the iPhone. http://www.osnews.com/story/25264/Did_A ... the_iPhone_

There was also a touchscreen device along with that one but its so much easier to stoke up the holy war if that picture was used alone.

sensei_ · Post by **sensei_** » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 9:47 am

x9200 wrote:Why do you think so? And derived? What do you mean by this?

Lets see, lets start to when the original iphone was released. Back then (2007) there was no itunes app store for iphone, not to mention that there was plenty of features that was omitted from the phone (cut and paste anyone?), jailbreakers came along and added these features. it was also the only way people outside of the US and subsequent release countries to be able to use these phones as it was locked to AT&T

if my memory was not wrong, cydia started to consolidate their apps and methods of charging sometime in early 2008. it wasnt until mid 2008 that apple came to the party and launched the official itunes store.

if you launch up itunes app store on your phone and the cydia app compare the two and fundamentally they are the same.

until today, apple still makes jailbreak providers and users as the mighty evil, but they seem to have forgotten that many ideas was offered (unofficially i admit) by the jailbreaking community.

and for those who were brainwashed into the "security risk" lets just think for a sec. if apple was as secure as they claim, we would not have jailbreakers to start with. the fact that we do says plenty about the level of security.

for apple to start taking the high almighty ground on copying is *imo* abit rich.

Post by **x9200** » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 10:14 am

If you lunched any user level package manager in many pre-iOs unix like systems the functionality was already there. Hard to consider a payment option as a breakthrough invention.
I agree that the language they talk may appear arrogant and annoying but this is the language of this kind of battles. Everything is calculated and few times reconsidered before any decision is made and what the public see is only the top of the iceberg.

sensei_ · Post by **sensei_** » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 1:10 pm

x9200 wrote:If you lunched any user level package manager in many pre-iOs unix like systems the functionality was already there. Hard to consider a payment option as a breakthrough invention.
I agree that the language they talk may appear arrogant and annoying but this is the language of this kind of battles. Everything is calculated and few times reconsidered before any decision is made and what the public see is only the top of the iceberg.

no one said payment option was breakthrough, but bringing all the third party developers to a central marketplace definitely was different at that point in time. as a windows mobile user at the time, i still had to go download packages from developers directly. hence i still hold belief that to blatently rip off the cydia store without any recognition is pretty much the same as samsung's apparent patent breaches, the only difference being that cydia didnt patent the "app store".

*imo* you dont like people to rip off your ideas, then set the example and respect other people's ideas.

zzm9980 wrote:They actually hired the lockinfo (and I think Wifi sync) developer(s) to make those features for them.

please go and do some research. the lockinfo developer (david ashman) was not hired by apple. but instead another person who developed a similar app.

as for wifisync not only was the app outright rejected, and then released in the next version with no credit to the original pommy developer.

i dare anyone to say with a straight face that they did not get at least some aspiration from the jailbreak community.

apparently some other people think the same way too.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/06/10 ... y-apology/

Post by **x9200** » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 1:47 pm

sensei_ wrote:no one said payment option was breakthrough, but bringing all the third party developers to a central marketplace definitely was different at that point in time. as a windows mobile user at the time, i still had to go download packages from developers directly.

This is exactly what the mentioned earlier software does for close to two decades already. Neither Apple's nor Freeman's inventions. I recall RedHat starting around 1993 having this kind of packages and the managers but Debian could be even earlier. It is still IMO more advance than the App Store as you can rely on many stores under one transparent management tools.

sensei_ · Post by **sensei_** » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 2:41 pm

x9200 wrote:This is exactly what the mentioned earlier software does for close to two decades already. Neither Apple's nor Freeman's inventions. I recall RedHat starting around 1993 having this kind of packages and the managers but Debian could be even earlier. It is still IMO more advance than the App Store as you can rely on many stores under one transparent management tools.

excuse my lack of unix knowledge. ive tried and successfully failed using any of the linux distros, tried to install red hat a few years back, but to no avail.

personally, i switch between windows and osx on a daily basis.

scarbowl · Post by **scarbowl** » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 7:03 pm

sensei_ wrote:
x9200 wrote:Why do you think so? And derived? What do you mean by this?
>snip

for apple to start taking the high almighty ground on copying is *imo* abit rich.

Most countries have such a thing as patent law. When you spend a lot of money on something you want to protect it in order to make money. Eventually, even China - reigning kings of piracy - will figure this out.

That you don't understand this suggests you just don't understand business.

sensei_ · Post by **sensei_** » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 7:30 pm

scarbowl wrote:Most countries have such a thing as patent law. When you spend a lot of money on something you want to protect it in order to make money. Eventually, even China - reigning kings of piracy - will figure this out.

That you don't understand this suggests you just don't understand business.

yes indeed they do have patents, and guess what so do many other companies out there. now im no lawyer or patent specialist. and in regards to some dev's out there who did not patent, means that apple is free to steal.

*IMO* they should clean up their act before taking the high ground.

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