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ecureilx · Post by **ecureilx** » Thu, 06 Sep 2012 9:08 am

lolipop99 wrote:yes it is with allowance but monthly pay check is definitely >5k for sure because he has been approved with a credit card that strictly need 60k annual salary as a requirement. The problem maybe because his undergrad degree is by distance learning from Burma but he got a master degree from ntu taking part time so it is really a mistery what MOM look at to determine he is only qualified for an S Pass now. I was also shocked when he told me this, moreover his PEP application was rejected very fast

Did you read the part where it says "ONLY BASIC SALARY IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION"

Yah, if I get a 1,000 $ basic and a million $ as allowances, commission et al, MOM only sees the 1,000 as fixed.

MOM doesn't go by how he gets treated by credit card companies - heck, yesterday, the Stanchart guys near my office were offering cards to me, even when I said my basic was just 1,500 ..

they don't say NO ..

zzm9980 · Post by **zzm9980** » Fri, 07 Sep 2012 10:21 am

lolipop99 wrote:yes it is with allowance but monthly pay check is definitely >5k for sure because he has been approved with a credit card that strictly need 60k annual salary as a requirement.

And I have a credit card with a basic annual salary requirement of S$250k, but I can assure you my base salary is significantly under that.

lolipop99 · Post by **lolipop99** » Sat, 08 Sep 2012 7:48 am

ecureilx wrote:
lolipop99 wrote:yes it is with allowance but monthly pay check is definitely >5k for sure because he has been approved with a credit card that strictly need 60k annual salary as a requirement. The problem maybe because his undergrad degree is by distance learning from Burma but he got a master degree from ntu taking part time so it is really a mistery what MOM look at to determine he is only qualified for an S Pass now. I was also shocked when he told me this, moreover his PEP application was rejected very fast
Did you read the part where it says "ONLY BASIC SALARY IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION"

Yah, if I get a 1,000 $ basic and a million $ as allowances, commission et al, MOM only sees the 1,000 as fixed.

MOM doesn't go by how he gets treated by credit card companies - heck, yesterday, the Stanchart guys near my office were offering cards to me, even when I said my basic was just 1,500 .. they don't say NO ..

Ok got it that his base salary is 5.5k and he got 800 for shift allowance, still it only qualifies an S Pass

offshoreoildude · Post by **offshoreoildude** » Sat, 08 Sep 2012 7:57 am

lolipop99 wrote:yes it is with allowance but monthly pay check is definitely >5k for sure because he has been approved with a credit card that strictly need 60k annual salary as a requirement. The problem maybe because his undergrad degree is by distance learning from Burma but he got a master degree from ntu taking part time so it is really a mistery what MOM look at to determine he is only qualified for an S Pass now. I was also shocked when he told me this, moreover his PEP application was rejected very fast

He's really no win for Singapore by their definitions.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Sat, 08 Sep 2012 8:40 am

Just because someone earns enough to be qualified for a higher pass does not mean that the MOM HAS to issue that pass. It's up to them and is fully at their discretion. Remember, getting an Employment Pass is NOT a right, but a favour by a foreign government. Even if you are fully qualified, they don't even have to issue you one and they don't have to give you the reasons why it's been rejected or given a lower level. The criteria, as it is published on their site is pretty succinct in as much as it basically says that the criteria is the minimum acceptable "for consideration" for a certain level pass - not a guarantee for a pass. It is their ball park, their ball and their rules. Make too many waves, you could receive a red flag.

revhappy · Post by **revhappy** » Sat, 08 Sep 2012 10:46 am

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Sat, 08 Sep 2012 11:47 am

We already know that the writing is on the walls. Singapore is downgrading it's FT's. We've known it since the GE. PMET are the first to be downgraded as these are the ones who are in direct competition with locals for the positions. As the criteria gets tightened up and tuned up, there are a lot of other things that are coming into play as well. Hell, MS already warned us something heavy was coming in July/Aug very early in the year if I remember correctly.

It's going to get nastier before it gets better. Guaranteed.

v4jr4 · Post by **v4jr4** » Sat, 08 Sep 2012 8:03 pm

PMET = Professionals, Managers, Executives. Technicians?

I always thought that Singapore has too many blue collar workers instead of white collar workers, which is why, a case of downgrading someone from P2 to S-pass sounds like a nightmare.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Sun, 09 Sep 2012 10:44 am

You need to learn one really important fact here. In Singapore, titles are not what they always seem. Technicians are of a higher calibre than labourers. Technicians are Polytechnic Diploma holders. Whereas ITE holders would be "workers" and lower than that would be labourers. In fact, when I was still actively recruiting here in Singapore most clients would call a technician an Engineer. So one had to be very careful when submitting CV to them as they would come back asking why the salary requests were high. Then, when questioned, you find out that what they actually wanted was a technician but they were calling them Engineers. The way to find out sometimes was to ask them it the "Engineer" was capable of signing off a job or if the minimum requirements was a diploma or a degree.

v4jr4 · Post by **v4jr4** » Sun, 09 Sep 2012 5:18 pm

That's where I fail to comprehend. I have a friend who works on-site (reconstruction), and his main job-desc is to supervise the situation, not to do the physical works. Here's the part: for the physical works, I only know that the resources come from PRC, India, or Malaysia (at least to my knowledge). Will SC compete with them? I doubt it. And seeing the situation, I assume gahmen won't downgrade them.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Sun, 09 Sep 2012 5:47 pm

If it's a supervisory position but outside in the weather, and not a project engineer who sits in a aircon office on site but ventures on site just to get to his car to go home, the he's pretty safe (assuming he still meets the NEW criteria - that's the key. Locals shun outdoor positions for the most part. that's why there are so many local construction companies with Australian Civil Engineers with only a year or two experience. They come up here, aren't afraid of the sun or rain or slogging around in the muddy site, work a couple of years on local terms and share a flat to cut down costs, then go back to Aust and earn double what others of their cohort earn. Why? They have international exposure. They are working smart. They also learn HOW it gets built, as opposed to just knowing how it's supposed to be built. Local engineers are smart (book wise). But the real smart ones go overseas to work for a couple of years. If they survive, they come home and take over projects as the international exposure teaches them how it is in the real world and the fact that not everything can come out of a book.

Leafable · Post by **Leafable** » Mon, 10 Sep 2012 1:38 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:If it's a supervisory position but outside in the weather, and not a project engineer who sits in a aircon office on site but ventures on site just to get to his car to go home, the he's pretty safe (assuming he still meets the NEW criteria - that's the key. Locals shun outdoor positions for the most part. that's why there are so many local construction companies with Australian Civil Engineers with only a year or two experience. They come up here, aren't afraid of the sun or rain or slogging around in the muddy site, work a couple of years on local terms and share a flat to cut down costs, then go back to Aust and earn double what others of their cohort earn. Why? They have international exposure. They are working smart. They also learn HOW it gets built, as opposed to just knowing how it's supposed to be built. Local engineers are smart (book wise). But the real smart ones go overseas to work for a couple of years. If they survive, they come home and take over projects as the international exposure teaches them how it is in the real world and the fact that not everything can come out of a book.

Very well said SMS. Bookworms are useless in real world.

Leafable · Post by **Leafable** » Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:27 am

I just got a news from me cousin.

How does this f***ing work?

Malaysian Chinese aged 32, Diploma educated in single status. With 10 years of varies job experiences.

New employer only pay him $2800 and got a Q-Pass. Not exactly black & white what they said online for minimum $3K isn't it?

I'm truly baffle.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:48 am

I'm not baffled at all. Ask your cousin how much he's kicking back in cash to his employer every month.........

Leafable · Post by **Leafable** » Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:49 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I'm not baffled at all. Ask your cousin how much he's kicking back in cash to his employer every month.........

Now thats doggy innit?

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