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Post by JayCee » Thu, 23 Aug 2012 6:55 pm

RichardBaker wrote: a respectable lawyer
Does such a thing exist?

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Post by offshoreoildude » Thu, 23 Aug 2012 7:26 pm

There were some well publicized cases of URA clamp downs on condos that had illegal subdivisions on Grange Rd from memory. The last condo I lived in had a URA 'raid' when it was found the LL was renting out to short termers.

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Post by RichardBaker » Fri, 24 Aug 2012 4:30 am

> So... what kind of pass are you on? EP? P1 EP?

Oh dear, I was hoping to get a 3 month business visa the easy way, like the one I just got for Shanghai. I am guessing the process is more involved with Singapore?

> Does such a thing exist?

Well, yes, until they get bill. Har, har, har...

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Post by Strong Eagle » Fri, 24 Aug 2012 9:37 am

RichardBaker wrote:> So... what kind of pass are you on? EP? P1 EP?

Oh dear, I was hoping to get a 3 month business visa the easy way, like the one I just got for Shanghai. I am guessing the process is more involved with Singapore?

> Does such a thing exist?

Well, yes, until they get bill. Har, har, har...
It really depends upon what you are doing here. Are you engaged in revenue producing activities? Then yes, you will probably need to apply for an employment pass. Are you coming to Singapore to explore business development, etc? Then probably you don't need anything other than a social visit pass, which, depending upon nationality are automatically issued for up to 90 days.

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Post by RichardBaker » Fri, 24 Aug 2012 5:15 pm

That is interesting, if I do marketing for a law firm, ie things like meeting a law firm in Singapore and telling them about what we offer (which may never translate into work) do you think that is permissable on a normal tourist visa, it does not seem like revenue producing per se in a direct way to me?

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Post by zzm9980 » Fri, 24 Aug 2012 6:37 pm

From: http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=95
All visitors on visit passes are not permitted to engage in any form of business, profession, occupation or paid employment while in Singapore.

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Post by Strong Eagle » Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:58 pm

zzm9980 wrote:From: http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=95
All visitors on visit passes are not permitted to engage in any form of business, profession, occupation or paid employment while in Singapore.
And this is really such a bullshit quote. People fly into Singapore ALL THE TIME for business... to check the landscape... to meet with clients... to try and close a deal. What it means... and I will say it again... if you are in Singapore for revenue generating activities, then an EP is advisable... and people are in and out for all sorts of business activities. I can tell you that the Singapore gahmen is not interested in squelching business activity, just illegal workers... big difference.

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Post by zzm9980 » Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:17 am

Strong Eagle wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:From: http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=95
All visitors on visit passes are not permitted to engage in any form of business, profession, occupation or paid employment while in Singapore.
And this is really such a bullshit quote. People fly into Singapore ALL THE TIME for business... to check the landscape... to meet with clients... to try and close a deal. What it means... and I will say it again... if you are in Singapore for revenue generating activities, then an EP is advisable... and people are in and out for all sorts of business activities. I can tell you that the Singapore gahmen is not interested in squelching business activity, just illegal workers... big difference.
I understand that, and just figured what you said was implicitly implied by that quote. The fact remains that what the OP was asking about, a short term business/work visa, doesn't exist, and what he intends to do is technically illegal, but then so is jaywalking, importing foreign DVDs, or smoking a cigarette without a sticket on it. I'd hate for him to call ICA and ask about such a thing perhaps after they ask for his passport number.

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Post by RichardBaker » Sat, 25 Aug 2012 5:11 am

Wait a second, there is no short term business visa for Singapore, like the F Visa for China?

Are you serious?

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Post by zzm9980 » Sat, 25 Aug 2012 9:29 am

Apparently there is this:
http://www.mom.gov.sg/foreign-manpower/ ... fault.aspx

And I don't think you'd qualify based on the requirements. To SE's point, most people do what you're going to do on an SVP. If there is a legal alternative, it isn't exactly clear what that is.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 25 Aug 2012 9:45 am

That was the very first one I thought about, but with only a 60 day limit and him not in one of the stated categories, I didn't bother to post it at all. That replaced the earlier "business" short term visa and several others and put all under one umbrella.

You would think that there would be a method for a legal entity to come here but on the other hand, he cannot work as a legal entity here unless he is a Queen's Council or has passed the Singapore Bar from what I've been given to understand.

So, like SE pointed out, as long as he's not "generating revenue himself" he should be okay on a bog standard 90 day visa, albeit it will get expensive for accommodation.
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Post by Strong Eagle » Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:14 am

zzm9980 wrote:
Strong Eagle wrote:
And this is really such a bullshit quote. People fly into Singapore ALL THE TIME for business... to check the landscape... to meet with clients... to try and close a deal. What it means... and I will say it again... if you are in Singapore for revenue generating activities, then an EP is advisable... and people are in and out for all sorts of business activities. I can tell you that the Singapore gahmen is not interested in squelching business activity, just illegal workers... big difference.
I understand that, and just figured what you said was implicitly implied by that quote. The fact remains that what the OP was asking about, a short term business/work visa, doesn't exist, and what he intends to do is technically illegal, but then so is jaywalking, importing foreign DVDs, or smoking a cigarette without a sticket on it. I'd hate for him to call ICA and ask about such a thing perhaps after they ask for his passport number.
I think what that sentence actually says is that you cannot earn income in Singapore as a result of your activities. For example, a dentist could not fly in from India, fix teeth for a week, and fly out.

Back to the OP, I think the tests are/will be:

a) Where is he being paid
b) Has he retained his home address in home country
c) Is he acting in an advisory capacity or income earning capacity?

Cheers.

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Post by x9200 » Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:51 am

Strong Eagle wrote:the tests are/will be:

a) Where is he being paid
b) Has he retained his home address in home country
c) Is he acting in an advisory capacity or income earning capacity?

Cheers.
For the c) he probably will tests positive.

I would replace c) with whether he is going to compete in the local employee market.

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