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Postby offshoreoildude » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 6:45 pm

You need to remember the politics are also against you. There is a major grassroots push back on the government's liberal immigration policies and the PAP is responding by tightening various quotas I think. I expect to see the PR approval renewal rate drop as a result as well (currently 2% are not renewed).

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Postby revhappy » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 8:03 pm

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sundaymorningstaple wrote:Probably what is stopping them, aside from their obvious stumbling block at the current point in time, may well be the fact that their incomes are just normal giving the fact that they are in MNC/Big4 and currently without any children (and apparently not looking to have any in the short term). I would say the fact that their race (and the stereotype that they like to collect PR) coupled with the fact that they are in MNCs which means transfers possibly to other "Developed" countries, might make the ICA look at it and wonder if they will be quitters a little way down the road.

I don't know. On the face of it, it looks good, but the little nigglMing points I raised make me think much the same as SF in his post above.

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Yea it's quite unfortunate that stereotypes seem to precede objective assessments here. Agree that flight risks could be a potential judgement criterion - but if you think about it - it kind of correlates to the competence level of an individual and the ease of mobility in today's world.

I, probably, should have taken up ICA's PR invitation back during my NUS days but it took me 4 yrs to decide. Like they say hindsight is always 20/20 :)


That, my friend is the reason for your rejection, it took you 4 yrs to decide, but for ica it's a matter of when we invited you you ditched us, now we ditch you.
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Postby the lynx » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 8:04 pm

v4jr4 wrote:Side question: I heard that MoM may reject the PR renewal, and I assume that will be the perfect time to apply PR. In such time, will gahmen send a letter to offer it to high profile EP holders whose PR applications were rejected in the past?

I hear there are some cases where gahmen offers citizenship to some PR holders. But there's a rumor (I'm not sure if the guy that told me this trolls me or not) that gahmen may offer PR to some high profile EP holders.


You have asked this question twice. Your first attempt didn't yield solid answer so this is your second attempt. My lynxie sense is tingling... :P :D :cool: :twisted:

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Postby offshoreoildude » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 8:07 pm

If I had a dollar for the number of expats who've said to me; 'The ICA rang me up and offered me SC but I turned it down' - I'd have about $100. They're all liars in the main and I have NEVER heard of an EP holder having that offer made.

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Postby revhappy » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 8:11 pm

v4jr4 wrote:Side question: I heard that MoM may reject the PR renewal, and I assume that will be the perfect time to apply PR. In such time, will gahmen send a letter to offer it to high profile EP holders whose PR applications were rejected in the past?

I hear there are some cases where gahmen offers citizenship to some PR holders. But there's a rumor (I'm not sure if the guy that told me this trolls me or not) that gahmen may offer PR to some high profile EP holders.


Please try to write in a more comprehendable manner, I didn't understand what you are trying to say when you asked the same thing elsewhere and now it's even more confusing, btw when did MoM start dealing with PR renewal :roll:

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Postby revhappy » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 8:14 pm

acr123 wrote:Hello ,
You are not alone.. Mine is also rejected after waited for over 5 months. My case I am the only earning member (180++).. I had applied for myself, my wife+ my son (4 years).. I aam in Sinhapore with my family for more than 4 years and applied after 4 years only. Was looking for long term stay here. But it looks like they just look at race ..Nothing else :???:


You need to tell more about yourself, there must be something about you, just like the op, that you haven't told us

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Postby Saint » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 9:59 pm

revhappy wrote:
acr123 wrote:Hello ,
You are not alone.. Mine is also rejected after waited for over 5 months. My case I am the only earning member (180++).. I had applied for myself, my wife+ my son (4 years).. I aam in Sinhapore with my family for more than 4 years and applied after 4 years only. Was looking for long term stay here. But it looks like they just look at race ..Nothing else :???:


You need to tell more about yourself, there must be something about you, just like the op, that you haven't told us


Rev, we all know the reason why and it's not the fault of these 2 posters but what their fellow country men have done over the last 5 to 10 years. Completely took the Micky out of what the true meaning of PR is. The Gahmen, Singaporeans and true PR just got fed up with the attitude that large number of certain PRs took.

The 2 posters who have posted their PR rejections here tick every box 100% except for one. It's a shame as there many genuine PR who truly want to embrace being a PR but it just won't happen as freely as it use to.

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Postby lolipop99 » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:44 pm

it is all because of a financial crisis that things changed so fast, I am so lucky that I got my PR even though I earn only a fraction of the OP salary, and in my company an admin officer from Phillipines got her PR when she earn 1.9K in 2008, and now I think her pay is only 2.2K i guess. I can't believe they reject people who hold MBA from NUS and earn 100K plus! That is just so ridiculous, but perhaps there is no more quota for Indian, in the past they have taken a lot of Indian and these people has a very high birth rate which means they babies will take up all the quota for new Indian PR. All my Indian colleagues have babies very fast, we even go to new born shower party almost every few months, and the wife are always staying at home when they give birth so they are PR but technically not contributing anything to Singapore and just stay at home to take care of the kids, not sure if these kids will serve NS later though

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Postby idle_cursor » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:14 pm

revhappy wrote:
idle_cursor wrote:I, probably, should have taken up ICA's PR invitation back during my NUS days but it took me 4 yrs to decide. Like they say hindsight is always 20/20 :)


That, my friend is the reason for your rejection, it took you 4 yrs to decide, but for ica it's a matter of when we invited you you ditched us, now we ditch you.


I did expect someone to jump at this conclusion.. :lol: but my gripe was a pure admission of guilt on my part in retrospective rather than anything else :) I have tons of batch-mates who misplaced their letters let alone respond to it and yet have converted a PR - only difference being the timing of their app, theirs being before the housing policy change & the gold rush.

Update: My theory of 6 months "auto-rejection" seems to be gaining weight. Just got my rejection letter.. dated 17-Aug. Date of application: 17-Feb.. exactly half a year before! No mention of "waiting" period though.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:30 pm

You theory is just that, a theory without a iota of merit. We've seen applicants wait as long a 14 months and as short as a month. Some successful, some not.

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Postby v4jr4 » Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:36 pm

the lynx wrote:
v4jr4 wrote:Side question: I heard that MoM may reject the PR renewal, and I assume that will be the perfect time to apply PR. In such time, will gahmen send a letter to offer it to high profile EP holders whose PR applications were rejected in the past?

I hear there are some cases where gahmen offers citizenship to some PR holders. But there's a rumor (I'm not sure if the guy that told me this trolls me or not) that gahmen may offer PR to some high profile EP holders.


You have asked this question twice. Your first attempt didn't yield solid answer so this is your second attempt. My lynxie sense is tingling... :P :D :cool: :twisted:


revhappy wrote:now it's even more confusing, btw when did MoM start dealing with PR renewal


My bad about the MoM.

Well, the first case is gahmen offers citizenship to some PR holders, which I think is valid. I don't have any question for this kind of scenario.

Second case is gahmen offers PR to some EP holders, which I think I was trolled for this kind of rumor. I'm curious whether it's true, or I've been trolled :-|

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Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:04 am

v4jr4 wrote: or I've been trolled :-|


I don't even know what you're talking about and I can tell you it's definitely this.

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Postby idle_cursor » Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:07 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:You theory is just that, a theory without a iota of merit. We've seen applicants wait as long a 14 months and as short as a month. Some successful, some not.


Like i implied before, it's a theory at best till substantiated with evidence. Apologies if it led you to infer something else.. :?

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ICA should begin cancelling 'unused' PR's

Postby offshoreoildude » Thu, 23 Aug 2012 1:19 am

In my opinion one valid technique to increase productivity of the PR system would be for the ICA to increase the % of cancellations. It really is not that hard to find valid mechanisms to verify PR's long term conts - evidence of financial activity, evidence of support or family etc.... I too am a little sick of the system being abused by those wanting to use Singapore as stepping stone to the USA or elsewhere WITH NO SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION in the meantime. I became a PR in 1993 and it's been an honor for me - I resent and have suffered from the tightening up of it too. My wife - a US citizen with a Masters degree with a combined income well over $250K PA with me could not get PR because of the stupid pre GE tightening. We even have two Singapore Citizen children as well! So yes, it's unfortunate all around when a particular community spoils the party.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Thu, 23 Aug 2012 2:26 am

My fellow expats, now, speak I will and with great length I will convey

Policies that was in placed was prior to GE. In fact it was in 2007 that the imbalances was first noticed in many facet of the society.
After GE , the policy was already kicking in but with a little twist. Greater speed and urgency
Arm chair Damagers of the Gahmen were the cause of this catastrophic problems. Many have gone due to the backlashes when they buried themselves in the sand
From previous observation it will another year before the storm will subside.

Meditate you must with great length
The levitation skill you must acquire
Only then the force will be with you
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!


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