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Employment ends due to Pass expiration

Post by hanabie » Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:58 pm

Does the employment end when my pass is expired?
regardless of 4 months notice?

4 months notice is really long when one is looking for another job.
I personally hate to move around, but you know when thing gets tough. Someone has to move on.

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Post by the lynx » Fri, 10 Aug 2012 1:24 pm

hanabie wrote:Does the employment end when my pass is expired?
regardless of 4 months notice?

Yes. Because technically, it is illegal for you to work without VALID pass (expired pass doesn't count). Your four months' notice must end before or on the expiry day. If not, your HR must renew it.


4 months notice is really long when one is looking for another job.
I personally hate to move around, but you know when thing gets tough. Someone has to move on.

If you signed for a contract that stipulates you to give 4 months' notice for resignation, you have only yourself to blame for giving in to this.

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Post by hanabie » Fri, 10 Aug 2012 1:31 pm

thanks..

:D :D
here I come singapore! last step is my s pass lol.. :)

Nvm.. when I'm good, I'm pretty sure someone knows my value :)
be positive and work hard :)

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Post by beppi » Fri, 10 Aug 2012 4:24 pm

I don't think your gamble will work:
If you agree to this by signing the work contract, you HAVE TO give the four months notice if you intend to leave.
It is correct that you cannot continue to work without a valid pass, but renewal of the pass is applied for by your company and decided on by MoM - I don't think you can force them not to do this just because you don't want to serve your notice!
But you can always terminate with shorter notice by paying, to the employer, a penalty of a month salary per month you shorten the notice.
hanabie wrote:be positive and work hard :)
... and screw the employer if it suits you. Is that your attitude?
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Post by the lynx » Fri, 10 Aug 2012 4:29 pm

beppi wrote:I don't think your gamble wil work:
If you agree to this by signing the work contract, you have to give the four months notice if you intend to leave.
It is correct that you cannot continue to work without a valid pass, but renewal of the pass is applied for by your company and decided on by MoM - I don't think you can force them not to do this just because you don't want to serve your notice!
hanabie wrote:be positive and work hard :)
... and screw the employer if it suits you. Is that your attitude?
Wow, on a hindsight, I didn't know one may interpret the situation that way, but it is plausible....

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 10 Aug 2012 5:48 pm

Additionally, if he is making more than 2000/mo then it's possible that the contract read four months notice OR four months salary in lieu. You cannot break it by requesting that they do not renew. You have no say in the matter. The employer will renew it even if you give less than 1 months notice. And, you can be blackballed AND the employer can take you to civil court to get the remaining salary in lieu. In otherwords, NEVER sign anything that you don't agree with 100% because it will come back to bite you in the arse EVERY TIME.

If you do a runner, a police report will be filed and that will be the end of ANY career or hopes of a career on the Little Red Dot. My suggestion? let them renew, give your 4 months notice and work it out. Then go to another job. Actually, with 4 months notice, you really WILL need a leap of faith as it's doubtful ANY employer here will wait that long. Good luck. You have learned a hard lesson about employment contracts. One you will not forget.

Of course, you COULD get damned lucky and MOM not renew your pass. I just lost one on criteria. He was good two years ago, but not with the tightened criteria, he is no longer qualified. Sucks, but what to do. All are sweating renewals at the moment.
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Post by x9200 » Fri, 10 Aug 2012 6:52 pm

beppi wrote:I don't think your gamble will work:
If you agree to this by signing the work contract, you HAVE TO give the four months notice if you intend to leave.
It is correct that you cannot continue to work without a valid pass, but renewal of the pass is applied for by your company and decided on by MoM - I don't think you can force them not to do this just because you don't want to serve your notice!
And even if you next get the idea not to collect the pass or do something deliberately to have it rejected/unapproved the company may still have a pretty good case against you.

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Post by hanabie » Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:26 am

what is wrong with you guys?

I don't have that kind of thoughts. Never. If I can't get a job when I give notice, SO BE IT!

The world still turns, and Singapore is not the only place I can go.
I have my degree and I have legs and arms. Why do I have to be scared?
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Post by hanabie » Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:27 am

beppi wrote:I don't think your gamble will work:
If you agree to this by signing the work contract, you HAVE TO give the four months notice if you intend to leave.
It is correct that you cannot continue to work without a valid pass, but renewal of the pass is applied for by your company and decided on by MoM - I don't think you can force them not to do this just because you don't want to serve your notice!
But you can always terminate with shorter notice by paying, to the employer, a penalty of a month salary per month you shorten the notice.
hanabie wrote:be positive and work hard :)
... and screw the employer if it suits you. Is that your attitude?
:lol: :lol: :lol: Thanks. But I'm not
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Post by hanabie » Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:34 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Additionally, if he is making more than 2000/mo then it's possible that the contract read four months notice OR four months salary in lieu. You cannot break it by requesting that they do not renew. You have no say in the matter. The employer will renew it even if you give less than 1 months notice. And, you can be blackballed AND the employer can take you to civil court to get the remaining salary in lieu. In otherwords, NEVER sign anything that you don't agree with 100% because it will come back to bite you in the arse EVERY TIME.

If you do a runner, a police report will be filed and that will be the end of ANY career or hopes of a career on the Little Red Dot. My suggestion? let them renew, give your 4 months notice and work it out. Then go to another job. Actually, with 4 months notice, you really WILL need a leap of faith as it's doubtful ANY employer here will wait that long. Good luck. You have learned a hard lesson about employment contracts. One you will not forget.

Of course, you COULD get damned lucky and MOM not renew your pass. I just lost one on criteria. He was good two years ago, but not with the tightened criteria, he is no longer qualified. Sucks, but what to do. All are sweating renewals at the moment.
I've never have any intention to be a runner. I have taken ethic class, and that kind of action is so unprofessional.

Yeah I can see that my first post was kinda misleading. People get negative thoughts. I just want to make sure if that works.

As I said, I don't like to hop around. You all have been working for years. When things are tough!! Someone has to move on.

I'm asking this just to get a little knowledge how things work in Singapore.

Thanks

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:38 am

I didn't say you were going to do a runner. The operative word in my post was "IF".
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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