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Postby sensei_ » Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:45 pm

More assumptions SMS? We have been there before, and you are making an (deliberate) ass of yourself again.

just because i drive high KMs somehow equal taxi driver? :shock: :shock: I shudder to think what is in store for the rest of us if this is the "talent" we get :D

anyone with a brain, would naturally take the centre lane in an expressway so as to free up the left lanes for people to merge, and for those who think that the roads here are bad, here in perth, we have to merge at a 45 degree angle to traffic, in singapore you have a pretty long "run up", so no excuse at getting up to speed.

dont blame me for driving the limit (or slightly over!) just cos there are some incompetent idiots who dont know how to handle driving on an expressway.

i dont know about your pedestrian experiences, but i havent seen anyone run green man lights, because if they did, imagine the amount of dead pedestrians who dont bother looking, but continue to cross whilst using their phones.

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Postby x9200 » Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:53 pm

Is Perth somehow different from the rest of the country? I found driving in Australia very relaxing and enjoyable, especially after driving in Singapore.

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Postby sensei_ » Sat, 04 Aug 2012 1:20 pm

x9200 wrote:Is Perth somehow different from the rest of the country? I found driving in Australia very relaxing and enjoyable, especially after driving in Singapore.


maybe you should visit some local (australian) forums and check out the automotive section. plenty of antics to make bloods boil over, and its always the same few but repeated.

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Postby x9200 » Sat, 04 Aug 2012 1:32 pm

Why? Two weeks of self driving (NSW) not enough to get the right image?

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Postby zzm9980 » Sat, 04 Aug 2012 2:37 pm

sensei_ wrote:I've yet to see someone merge on the CTE @ 50kmh, or hogging the right lane, a simple flash of my HID will be bright enough to get the message across, or even the left turn issue that you talk about. if anything its the inconsiderate pedestrians that think that the zebra crossing is a gods gift and that they can walk at a snails pace without a care in the world.



Actually, yes. The zebra crossing should be seen as god's gift, because if you dare cross anywhere else on this island, they will try to run you down. They still do in the zebra crossings half the time anyway. Come hang out at Still Rd and Marine Parade Rd one day at about 6pm. Watch the zebra crossing by the community center, and see how many people almost get run down in an hour. (The one with the left turn for drivers exiting ECP and going west on MP Road).

I see the left turn issue everywhere.

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Postby sensei_ » Sat, 04 Aug 2012 4:46 pm

x9200 wrote:Why? Two weeks of self driving (NSW) not enough to get the right image?


Why not? Afterall, I am telling you that driving in perth is different from nsw, but if you dont believe, i cant do anything about it. Kinda like leading a horse to the water, but unable to force it to drink.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 04 Aug 2012 5:37 pm

I've worked for extended periods in Cairns, Darwin and Broome (of course Broome doesn't count) but I've never had any problems with drivers in Aus. Of course, I haven't driven in their largest towns like Brisbane or Sydny. But anybody who drives in Aus and is not brought up there better learn that you do NOT drive like you do in Singapore. You will be dead for sure. I tend to agree with x9200. I also find driving in Australia a pleasure. The whingers you must be talking about are the ones who've never been outside their state, let alone in other countries so the don't know how others drive. It a state of comparison of what you know only.

Of course, you'll read about Singaporeans whacking themselves in Aus, NZ & the US all the time because of their aggressive natures. After almost 30 years of driving in Singapore, I'd say I know their traits pretty well.

You win. I might be "making an ass of myself" but You ARE an ass. You probably don't see the bad driving habits of locals here because you probably drive the same way. Most don't realize they have halitosis either, until it pointed out to them.

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Postby sensei_ » Sat, 04 Aug 2012 7:24 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I've worked for extended periods in Cairns, Darwin and Broome (of course Broome doesn't count) but I've never had any problems with drivers in Aus. Of course, I haven't driven in their largest towns like Brisbane or Sydny. But anybody who drives in Aus and is not brought up there better learn that you do NOT drive like you do in Singapore. You will be dead for sure. I tend to agree with x9200. I also find driving in Australia a pleasure. The whingers you must be talking about are the ones who've never been outside their state, let alone in other countries so the don't know how others drive. It a state of comparison of what you know only.

Of course, you'll read about Singaporeans whacking themselves in Aus, NZ & the US all the time because of their aggressive natures. After almost 30 years of driving in Singapore, I'd say I know their traits pretty well.

You win. I might be "making an ass of myself" but You ARE an ass. You probably don't see the bad driving habits of locals here because you probably drive the same way. Most don't realize they have halitosis either, until it pointed out to them.


when was the last time you drove in oz? 10? 20? 30 years ago? things have changed since. and guess what, its not always for the better. the greatest impact has been on perth, where people are still in a country mindset in the midst of a mining boom. so plenty of people who still drive like idiots. dont believe? go check out a few aussie forums and report back your findings.

different driving cultures for different countries, and if you (expats) are unable to hack it, maybe its best to stick to the bus/mrt/taxi.

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Postby Mi Amigo » Sat, 04 Aug 2012 7:44 pm

Hi sensei_,

Genuine question, as I'm trying to understand the context of your comments: Your profile shows a location of Perth, but you say you "do a average of 250km/day in sg and jb." So presumably that means your actual location is Singapore (or Malaysia), right? So are you an Aussie living in Singapore, or a Singaporean (or Malaysian) who lived in Perth for a while?

FWIW, I've not driven in Perth, but give me Sydney / NSW over Singapore any day. But maybe that's just me...
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Postby x9200 » Sat, 04 Aug 2012 8:33 pm

sensei_ wrote:
x9200 wrote:Why? Two weeks of self driving (NSW) not enough to get the right image?


Why not? Afterall, I am telling you that driving in perth is different from nsw, but if you dont believe, i cant do anything about it. Kinda like leading a horse to the water, but unable to force it to drink.

You are sending us to some more or less unspecific forums.... frankly I am not that emotionally engaged in the subject to be bothered and to take your words at face value you need yet to boost a bit your credibility.

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Postby sensei_ » Sat, 04 Aug 2012 10:20 pm

Mi Amigo wrote:Hi sensei_,

Genuine question, as I'm trying to understand the context of your comments: Your profile shows a location of Perth, but you say you "do a average of 250km/day in sg and jb." So presumably that means your actual location is Singapore (or Malaysia), right? So are you an Aussie living in Singapore, or a Singaporean (or Malaysian) who lived in Perth for a while?

FWIW, I've not driven in Perth, but give me Sydney / NSW over Singapore any day. But maybe that's just me...


SMS might be able to tell you more about me, he seems to think he knows it all. Apparently im a singaporean taxi driver ;).

on a honest note, im australian in singapore, who have branches in malaysia and other SE asian countries.

x9200 wrote:You are sending us to some more or less unspecific forums.... frankly I am not that emotionally engaged in the subject to be bothered and to take your words at face value you need yet to boost a bit your credibility.


Since you insist. Here you go.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-re ... -1&#bottom

like to see what you gather from that.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 04 Aug 2012 11:33 pm

I just gathered a black screen saying the washing wasn't done yet. Whirlpool was undergoing maintenance and would be back in 14 minutes. I guess their servers are on the gold coast? What would that be? Around 3 am there?

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Postby x9200 » Sun, 05 Aug 2012 8:51 am

sensei_ wrote:Since you insist. Here you go.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-re ... -1&#bottom

like to see what you gather from that.

Ok, got it, now a mental experiment: take people from the above forum and transfer them to the roads of Singapore. I bet not 70pages but few times that many would be filled up within one day. Just reading what they complain about tells me that the environment is still very sound. 10, 30 years ago was better? Probably it was. This is a general trend unfortunately but I am very sure I would still enjoy driving in Australia (even in Perth).

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Postby sensei_ » Sun, 05 Aug 2012 5:15 pm

x9200 wrote:Ok, got it, now a mental experiment: take people from the above forum and transfer them to the roads of Singapore. I bet not 70pages but few times that many would be filled up within one day. Just reading what they complain about tells me that the environment is still very sound. 10, 30 years ago was better? Probably it was. This is a general trend unfortunately but I am very sure I would still enjoy driving in Australia (even in Perth).


if you so sure that you will love driving here down under, maybe you should move here then, give it a shot, try it out, hell, dont just take my word for it. no point bitching about the driving in sg.

*imho* without doubt, driving in sg is a hell of a lot easier for me, than trying to drive with bogans with half a brain

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Postby x9200 » Sun, 05 Aug 2012 6:47 pm

sensei_ wrote:
x9200 wrote:Ok, got it, now a mental experiment: take people from the above forum and transfer them to the roads of Singapore. I bet not 70pages but few times that many would be filled up within one day. Just reading what they complain about tells me that the environment is still very sound. 10, 30 years ago was better? Probably it was. This is a general trend unfortunately but I am very sure I would still enjoy driving in Australia (even in Perth).


if you so sure that you will love driving here down under, maybe you should move here then, give it a shot, try it out, hell, dont just take my word for it. no point bitching about the driving in sg.

*imho* without doubt, driving in sg is a hell of a lot easier for me, than trying to drive with bogans with half a brain

Sorry, it's nothing personal but really hard to believe. What you say about Perth sounds like what I see everyday here in much higher intensity. The only good thing about the local traffic is that it is very, very predictable. That's why I say it is pretty safe. People behave like half brain morons but there is no craziness factor involved. The risk comes mainly from the situations that are unavoidable or hard to control once you decided to join the traffic. I got hit by a cab going straight from the lane for left turn only. I see this kind of maneuvers few times a week and in most civilized countries this is something unthinkable. I could have avoided it if I have a habit to turn only from the lanes adjacent to the kerb what is hardly practical.


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