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Postby JR8 » Thu, 26 Jul 2012 9:56 pm

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sundaymorningstaple wrote:As far as the differences between PR & EP, they are enormous.


Back on topic. The rules are pretty upsetting. That's all I can say.

Write to your MP then. There is nothing we can do apart from apprise you of the facts.

Suggesting the rules are here to protect me from "exotic taco" is patronising.

But true. Ok, perhaps they're more to protect the country than you. Man you've got the yellow fever bad! Hey look either marry her, or understand why the gahmen aren't really into letting this VNese chick you've just met and are boning live here.


... Let's not go off topic.

I suspect it will go where the tide takes it

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Postby beppi » Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:32 pm

Honestly, I don't find it upsetting that providing physical pleasures in return for food, board and occasional travel is not on the list of activities that gets somebody a visa.
Fact is, every county has the right to decide whom to let in for which purpose. If you don't like it, you can leave.
Furthermore, Singapore, with approx. 30% foreign population (one of the highest in the world), is much more open in this respect than UK (6.8% foreigners, just slightly more than EU average of 6.6% - source http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... ed-picture).
You really need to change your myopic views!

(Off topic, but still: Singapore PRs get almost all social benefits of citizens, besides CPF. Not Singapore's fault if you didn't buy an HDB, send a kid to local school/university or use subsidised health care!)

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Postby v4jr4 » Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:43 pm

harry_potter wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:As far as the differences between PR & EP, they are enormous.


Let's not go off topic. I'm just saying that I don't get PR. The reason I went through the conversion was because people in my office were asking me whether I'd converted to PR. Since so many people were asking me and I wanted to feel less like a foreigner I figured converting was the right thing to do. I don't see anything or feel anything different, apart from my company give me some CPF.

Back on topic. The rules are pretty upsetting. That's all I can say. Suggesting the rules are here to protect me from "exotic taco" is patronising.


It's the rule in the house. Gahmen doesn't have her work permit ID, which will lead to another question: how come a girl can survive 6 months without working?. Not to say gahmen can monitor your activity 24X7. Wiki do provide a lot of details of Vietnam, but gahmen doesn't know anything about this girl, your GF, at all. Even if you pay her expenses, but there is no document about "in relationship" status.

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Postby zzm9980 » Fri, 27 Jul 2012 9:09 am

beppi wrote:Honestly, I don't find it upsetting that providing physical pleasures in return for food, board and occasional travel is not on the list of activities that gets somebody a visa.


I have to say Beppi, you've taken a turn for the more cynical lately. Your posts like mine before I edit them to be "nice" :D

Back to OP, think of it like this. If you lived in the US, your Mexican or Canadian girlfriend wouldn't be able to do this. If you lived in the EU, your non-EU girlfriend wouldn't be allowed to do this either. A lot of us expect more from Singapore because the policies which appear lax condition us to think this is OK, but it's really not. Honestly, I would bet that your Vietnamese girlfriend completely understands this, and was significantly less offended by being pulled into the ICA office than you were. Us Westerners are spoiled by the privileges our passport gives us and a sense of entitlement from our upbringing.

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Postby harry_potter » Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:27 am

You clearly have no respect for peoples' feelings and no respect for women. You are saying my girlfriend is a Yellow whore (which is not at all true, she is a good and caring person). I can't believe the Moderator will allow you to speak to people that way. My views might be myopic but yours are hurtful and bigoted. Shame on you. I am living in Asia, so what is wrong with me wanting to have a relationship with an Asian woman.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:27 am

^^^^ +1 Spot on and well said.

But cynical comes with too much time here. I've spoken of that before as well as I've also done the 180 here and have hardened and gotten cynical as well.

I've often said I've passed my "use by" date here! :lol:

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Postby JayCee » Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:36 am

OP how did you meet your gf?
I HAVE MASTERS!

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Postby v4jr4 » Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:45 am

harry_potter wrote:You clearly have no respect for peoples' feelings and no respect for women. You are saying my girlfriend is a Yellow whore (which is not at all true, she is a good and caring person). I can't believe the Moderator will allow you to speak to people that way. My views might be myopic but yours are hurtful and bigoted. Shame on you. I am living in Asia, so what is wrong with me wanting to have a relationship with an Asian woman.


So your love is enough for your relationship, but no slight chance to comprehend the regulations in the country you're working, even that means for the sake of both of you?

I wonder if I will find utopia soon.

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Postby harry_potter » Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:09 am

v4jr4 wrote:So your love is enough for your relationship, but no slight chance to comprehend the regulations in the country you're working, even that means for the sake of both of you?


That's why I came here, to seek help on understanding the regulations. Thank you to those hosting this board and to those who offered constructive advice and empathy. To those who want to insult me and my girlfriend then I will not sink to your level. What goes around comes around is all I need to say.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:09 am

harry_potter wrote:You clearly have no respect for peoples' feelings and no respect for women. You are saying my girlfriend is a Yellow whore (which is not at all true, she is a good and caring person). I can't believe the Moderator will allow you to speak to people that way. My views might be myopic but yours are hurtful and bigoted. Shame on you. I am living in Asia, so what is wrong with me wanting to have a relationship with an Asian woman.


No, he didn't say that at all, you did. With regards to your last sentence, however, it says volumes. What does a common law or de facto spouse provide? What do they get out of it?

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Postby harry_potter » Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:13 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:No, he didn't say that at all, you did.


Credit me with some intelligence.

"Yellow fever" and "providing physical pleasures in return for food, board and occasional travel".

Poster is a mate of yours, no doubt.

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Postby harry_potter » Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:18 am

What does a common law or de facto spouse provide? What do they get out of it?


I'm speachless! Ask the many millions of happy de facto couples what they "get out of it". Wow, I'm shocked by your ignorance.

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Postby Saint » Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:19 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
harry_potter wrote:You clearly have no respect for peoples' feelings and no respect for women. You are saying my girlfriend is a Yellow whore (which is not at all true, she is a good and caring person). I can't believe the Moderator will allow you to speak to people that way. My views might be myopic but yours are hurtful and bigoted. Shame on you. I am living in Asia, so what is wrong with me wanting to have a relationship with an Asian woman.


No, he didn't say that at all, you did. With regards to your last sentence, however, it says volumes. What does a common law or de facto spouse provide? What do they get out of it?

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beppi wrote:Honestly, I don't find it upsetting that providing physical pleasures in return for food, board and occasional travel is not on the list of activities that gets somebody a visa.


So what is this implying? Pretty obvious to me and it's a shame this kind of posting is being allowed on here now.

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Postby v4jr4 » Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:24 am

harry_potter wrote:
v4jr4 wrote:So your love is enough for your relationship, but no slight chance to comprehend the regulations in the country you're working, even that means for the sake of both of you?


That's why I came here, to seek help on understanding the regulations. Thank you to those hosting this board and to those who offered constructive advice and empathy. To those who want to insult me and my girlfriend then I will not sink to your level. What goes around comes around is all I need to say.


As harsh as it is, now it has come to this. At this rate, you can only follow the suggestions. If it works, good for you. But if it doesn't, don't blame the rule. Both of you have been given the chance 6 times.

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Postby harry_potter » Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:27 am

Saint wrote:... it's a shame this kind of posting is being allowed on here now.


Thank you, Saint. You have restored my faith in humanity and humility.


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