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Postby beppi » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 6:18 pm

How the hell are we supposed to know what checks your employer (a private entity who can do and mind whatever they want) will perform and what they will find out?
In general, if your convictions have to do with drugs, terrorism or violent crime, you should stay away from Singapore, no matter how long ago it was!

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Postby sprobert » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 7:09 pm

There are some strange people on this forum.

Its ok, luckily I also posted this same question on another forum for which I have received a direct answer to my question. This of course is all I ever wanted.

I never asked if anyone knew what employers would check, I asked in my first post if anyone knew if "spent" convictions would show up on a check. This is a definitive question which I have since learnt has a definitive answer of no, spent convictions do not show on a check. Unless it is for specialist jobs such as working with children. A spent conviction only stays on the police record which can only be accessed by them and/or the courts within the UK.

As for this so called "anger management" stuff....lol. Since when has challenging acusations been anger...lol

Anyway the question is resolved and I will ask the moderator to close the topic.

Thanks for any answers that were given that were actually on the subject in hand.

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Postby beppi » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 7:23 pm

So the question was actually about what an official enquiry to the UK authorities would show, not what some other "check" on your background (such as what MoM regularly does if they have doubts about an applicant - they are known to have teams in various locations doing detective work) would show up?
This was NOT clear from your post, and in that case I wonder why you ask on a Singapore forum and not a UK legal one.

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Postby sprobert » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 7:35 pm

beppi wrote:So the question was actually about what an official enquiry to the UK authorities would show, not what some other "check" on your background (such as what MoM regularly does if they have doubts about an applicant - they are known to have teams in various locations doing detective work) would show up?
This was NOT clear from your post, and in that case I wonder why you ask on a Singapore forum and not a UK legal one.


Hi,

That is a good point, although my first post does highlight that I am British, that the convictions were in the UK and most importantly that I was wondering if spent convictions could be seen. Yes I agree maybe it is a case for a UK forum but could also be useful on a forum like this in case someone here had the same experience.

Besides it must be justified because the answer I received was also on an Expat based forum in Singapore so it can be done. So I dont think it would be totally strange to ask here. For all I know someone could of had the experience only last week and could of been an excellent reply.

I take your point though and your right maybe this was a case for a UK forum. In more ways than one I think...lol

Thanks

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 8:20 pm

sprobert wrote:I take your point though and your right maybe this was a case for a UK forum. In more ways than one I think...lol Thanks


Without wishing to appear pedantic, I believe you mean you are or you're.

p.s. And you were moaning earlier about ex-pats who can't read a simple line of text lol :roll:

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Postby sprobert » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 8:50 pm

JR8 wrote:
sprobert wrote:I take your point though and your right maybe this was a case for a UK forum. In more ways than one I think...lol Thanks


Without wishing to appear pedantic, I believe you mean you are or you're.

p.s. And you were moaning earlier about ex-pats who can't read a simple line of text lol :roll:


Oh my god !!

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Postby beppi » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 9:17 pm

sprobert wrote:That is a good point, although my first post does highlight that I am British, that the convictions were in the UK and most importantly that I was wondering if spent convictions could be seen. Yes I agree maybe it is a case for a UK forum but could also be useful on a forum like this in case someone here had the same experience.

You asked if a background check will reveal your convictions.
Obviously, a background check is only performed if official documents (which you could have submitted) are not trusted or more information is needed than those documents contain. Just looking at official documents is not a background check!
Now, without knowing anything about the nature and thoroughness of this check, it is impossible to know if your convictions will show up, but I am sure they could if they dig deep enough.
Then, as I said, you should worry if these convictions have to do with drugs (a BIG no-no in Singapore), terrorism or violent crime.
I personally think you should have mentioned them and not marked "no prior convictions" on the form, as honesty is generally the better way forward (and I wouldn't want to start a new chapter in life by lying about the previous one)!

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Postby sprobert » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 9:30 pm

beppi wrote:
sprobert wrote:That is a good point, although my first post does highlight that I am British, that the convictions were in the UK and most importantly that I was wondering if spent convictions could be seen. Yes I agree maybe it is a case for a UK forum but could also be useful on a forum like this in case someone here had the same experience.

You asked if a background check will reveal your convictions.
Obviously, a background check is only performed if official documents (which you could have submitted) are not trusted or more information is needed than those documents contain. Just looking at official documents is not a background check!
Now, without knowing anything about the nature and thoroughness of this check, it is impossible to know if your convictions will show up, but I am sure they could if they dig deep enough.
Then, as I said, you should worry if these convictions have to do with drugs (a BIG no-no in Singapore), terrorism or violent crime.
I personally think you should have mentioned them and not marked "no prior convictions" on the form, as honesty is generally the better way forward (and I wouldn't want to start a new chapter in life by lying about the previous one)!


Thanks.

My convictions were minor, only ended up being fines and are now spent. Nothing to do with drugs or violence.

The background check is being done as standard and apparently every applicant has one, so ive been told.

Perhaps you are right and I should of mentioned them before but this is in the past now and I cannot change it.
Besides this has been resolved now. I was lucky and had a reply from a practicing lawyer who replied to my post on another forum.

Anyway I will know the answer 100% by this time next week. Seeing as no one actually seems to know here I will update next week so the post will be useful after all.

I hope by answering you, you don't think im angry.....lol

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 9:49 pm

sprobert,

Welcome to the forum, the hard way. :wink:

If you had any idea of the number of posters who come on this board with "entitlement" complexes, you would know why we tend to react in a certain fashion. I often do as well - but moderators are moderators ONLY when we say we are moderating - otherwise, we are unpaid regulars like the rest of the regulars (in fact we all WERE regulars at some point).

You were lucky insomuch as you managed to find a local practicing lawyer on the other board. But even his information may not be correct as MOM nor ICA reveal WHAT checks they do or how deep they go. As to what employers check, I'm afraid that would vary from employer to employer. Looking at some of the shenanigans some of the Foreign Talent has gotten into in recent years make me wonder if any checks are/were done at all.

Any locally based board like this one can only give you anecdotal evidence and opinions. How you take that is up to you. But if you are coming to Singapore, I would suggest that you get a thick skin as at the moment the locals don't like us very much and are not above vocalizing it. So, hopefully, your spent convictions were for fighting or some such. Because there will be time that you really would like to lay one of 'em out cold! :-)

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Postby sprobert » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 9:58 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:sprobert,

Welcome to the forum, the hard way. :wink:

If you had any idea of the number of posters who come on this board with "entitlement" complexes, you would know why we tend to react in a certain fashion. I often do as well - but moderators are moderators ONLY when we say we are moderating - otherwise, we are unpaid regulars like the rest of the regulars (in fact we all WERE regulars at some point).

You were lucky insomuch as you managed to find a local practicing lawyer on the other board. But even his information may not be correct as MOM nor ICA reveal WHAT checks they do or how deep they go. As to what employers check, I'm afraid that would vary from employer to employer. Looking at some of the shenanigans some of the Foreign Talent has gotten into in recent years make me wonder if any checks are/were done at all.

Any locally based board like this one can only give you anecdotal evidence and opinions. How you take that is up to you. But if you are coming to Singapore, I would suggest that you get a thick skin as at the moment the locals don't like us very much and are not above vocalizing it. So, hopefully, your spent convictions were for fighting or some such. Because there will be time that you really would like to lay one of 'em out cold! :-)

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Hi,

Thanks for the advice. Yes i was lucky to find a practicing lawyer on another site and to be honest I think his advice his probably the best I will hope to get. As I mentioned in my first post I already have the S Pass from the MOM so their checks are done. I have also entered Singapore several times before with no problem so ICA is not an issue. This is about whether UK spent convictions can be seen by a check from the employer which I agree may vary.

Thanks for the advice regarding a thick skin, trust me I am used to this. I have been working and living in Thailand for the last 4 years, in the thick of it in Bangkok and trust me they don't like us much here also.

Lets just say the experience on this forum has been interesting.

Sorry I had to edit it and put a smiley face, dont want anyone thinking i'm angry just because I replied to you...lol :lol:


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