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Emloyment in Singapore - Spent conviction

Postby sprobert » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 2:15 pm

I am hoping that there is someone out there that can give me some advice. Here is my situation :

I am a British national, 32 years old.
I have 2 spent convictions from the UK. The last one being about 8 years ago.
Been offered a position working for a company in Singapore.
Already been granted an S Pass permit by the MOM, only pending a medical

If I accept the job then I am due to go next week. The thing is they are doing a background check on me while I am going to be there. Because I am used to the laws in the UK I just marked criminal record as no on the application form, which is correct for a spent conviction in the UK but is that the same in Singapore ? Will those spent convictions show up ?

I have only started worrying about this after I read about how strict the Singapore background checks are and in the employers conditions it regards any criminal records found as instant dismissal.

Really worried, does anyone know ? If anyone needs more details just ask.

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Postby sensei_ » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 2:36 pm

why not be upfront about it and save yourself the headache? i mean, you would hate to fly all the way here only to have your past catch up with you and then have to fly all the way back.

if i was hiring someone with a criminal past, i would rather be told about it than have to find out via a background check.

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Postby sprobert » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 2:44 pm

sensei_ wrote:why not be upfront about it and save yourself the headache? i mean, you would hate to fly all the way here only to have your past catch up with you and then have to fly all the way back.

if i was hiring someone with a criminal past, i would rather be told about it than have to find out via a background check.


Thanks but that wasnt my question and I have already explained that because I am used to the UK law (which says you dont have to declare a spent conviction) I ticked no to criminal record. It is already done, your answer is really not helpful and I assume you just dont know.

Does anyone know if spent convictions show up on a Singapore background check ?

Many Thanks in advance to any answers to my actual question.

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Postby nakatago » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 2:55 pm

sprobert wrote:
sensei_ wrote:why not be upfront about it and save yourself the headache? i mean, you would hate to fly all the way here only to have your past catch up with you and then have to fly all the way back.

if i was hiring someone with a criminal past, i would rather be told about it than have to find out via a background check.


Thanks but that wasnt my question and I have already explained that because I am used to the UK law (which says you dont have to declare a spent conviction) I ticked no to criminal record. It is already done, your answer is really not helpful and I assume you just dont know.

Does anyone know if spent convictions show up on a Singapore background check ?

Many Thanks in advance to any answers to my actual question.


Depends on how thorough they want to be. How can we tell? We generally can't.

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Postby sprobert » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 3:00 pm

nakatago wrote:
sprobert wrote:
sensei_ wrote:why not be upfront about it and save yourself the headache? i mean, you would hate to fly all the way here only to have your past catch up with you and then have to fly all the way back.

if i was hiring someone with a criminal past, i would rather be told about it than have to find out via a background check.


Thanks but that wasnt my question and I have already explained that because I am used to the UK law (which says you dont have to declare a spent conviction) I ticked no to criminal record. It is already done, your answer is really not helpful and I assume you just dont know.

Does anyone know if spent convictions show up on a Singapore background check ?

Many Thanks in advance to any answers to my actual question.


Depends on how thorough they want to be. How can we tell? We generally can't.


Thanks.

So I take it from that, that it is actually possible to see a spent conviction then as you said it depends how thorough they want to be. Have you personal experience of this or heard of a situation where a spent conviction came up ? Or were you generalising ?

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Postby nakatago » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 3:06 pm

Pleasetrying doing a search as this has been asked several times already.

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Postby JayCee » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 3:20 pm

sprobert wrote:
sensei_ wrote:why not be upfront about it and save yourself the headache? i mean, you would hate to fly all the way here only to have your past catch up with you and then have to fly all the way back.

if i was hiring someone with a criminal past, i would rather be told about it than have to find out via a background check.


Thanks but that wasnt my question and I have already explained that because I am used to the UK law (which says you dont have to declare a spent conviction) I ticked no to criminal record. It is already done, your answer is really not helpful and I assume you just dont know.

Many Thanks in advance to any answers to my actual question.


Wow, nice way to introduct yourself to people, you'll fit right in Singapore, how to make friends and influence people eh?
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Postby sprobert » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 3:29 pm

JayCee wrote:
sprobert wrote:
sensei_ wrote:why not be upfront about it and save yourself the headache? i mean, you would hate to fly all the way here only to have your past catch up with you and then have to fly all the way back.

if i was hiring someone with a criminal past, i would rather be told about it than have to find out via a background check.


Thanks but that wasnt my question and I have already explained that because I am used to the UK law (which says you dont have to declare a spent conviction) I ticked no to criminal record. It is already done, your answer is really not helpful and I assume you just dont know.

Many Thanks in advance to any answers to my actual question.


Wow, nice way to introduct yourself to people, you'll fit right in Singapore, how to make friends and influence people eh?


Well if you are saying that there are lots of expats in Singapore that cant read a simple question or line of text then yes I suppose I might have problems fitting in....lol because where I come from people are capable of doing that.

The guys answer was neither productive or relevant to the question I asked. And in fact his reply also showed me that he didn't read all of my question correctly.

I also take it you dont know the answer or have any experience of my problem ?
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Postby sprobert » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 3:33 pm

nakatago wrote:Pleasetrying doing a search as this has been asked several times already.


Thanks, I have done that but most of the posts seem to be regarding work permits and convictions. I am referring to background checks done by employers or outside agents.

I am thinking and hoping that maybe the MOM would of seen them if they were there and maybe I have nothing to worry about.

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Postby JayCee » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 3:35 pm

Were either of your convictions related to anger management issues by any chance?

Btw, did you know that this forum is free?
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Postby sprobert » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 3:43 pm

JayCee wrote:Were either of your convictions related to anger management issues by any chance?

Btw, did you know that this forum is free?


I have simply posted a question seeking if anyone has the answer. Someone not only didn't know any answer at all but also gave a reply that was not relevant. As I spoke of the event in past tense, being told what I should of done is no help at all.

You then implied that maybe I wont get on in Singapore just because I picked him up on it. And now Ive got anger problems because I simply replied to your post accusing me of that. This is funny.

Yes I know this forum is free thanks. As we are on totally irrelevant chat here, you know what a troll is ? Its up to a moderator to decide but in my book someone who enters a topic with comments that have no relevance to the subject but insist on confrontation is a troll but thats up to them.

Please if you really dont know anything about my question or the subject then I wont be replying anymore to your taunts.

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Postby JayCee » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 3:50 pm

sprobert wrote:
JayCee wrote:Were either of your convictions related to anger management issues by any chance?

Btw, did you know that this forum is free?



Yes I know this forum is free thanks.


So you realise that no-one is getting paid to answer your questions then? If you don't get an answer then such is the way of forums, you don't lose anything. If you think that anyone posting who doesn't give a direct answer to a question is a troll then I think maybe you're not very familiar with how forums work.

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Postby sensei_ » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 4:05 pm

some people will whinge unless they read what they want to read.

here in oz, we do things differently when it comes to spent convictions as they can still show up on certain checks and even if they are spent you can be excluded from certain jobs.

i obviously dont know the uk/sg way of doing things, but they all have one thing in common, and that is that they use the common law system from the uk.

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Postby sprobert » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 4:10 pm

sensei_ wrote:some people will whinge unless they read what they want to read.

here in oz, we do things differently when it comes to spent convictions as they can still show up on certain checks and even if they are spent you can be excluded from certain jobs.

i obviously dont know the uk/sg way of doing things, but they all have one thing in common, and that is that they use the common law system from the uk.


Thanks for that. Yes I read in some places that UK and SG law are similar. I think they generally only show up for specialist jobs. Anyway I am hoping that because i already have the work permit that they dont show. I think thats going to be the best i get unless someone reads this that has had the same situation.

Thanks

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Postby zzm9980 » Fri, 20 Jul 2012 6:01 pm

sprobert wrote:
Well if you are saying that there are lots of expats in Singapore that cant read a simple question or line of text then yes I suppose I might have problems fitting in....lol because where I come from people are capable of doing that.


Not expats specifically, but yes. You're going to have problems fitting in. I really hope you don't have anger management issues, or I anticipate another conviction the first time you go to a Singtel or Starhub shop to connect your mobile line and TV :)


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