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[Strong Eagle]

I am quite speechless ....

One could only hope.......

[hopeislife]

I am quite speechless ....

One could only hope.......

Why to hope when its a reality here on this forum. I am speechless anyway in this forum as we can't speak here and can only type.

[hopeislife]

I am quite speechless ....

One could only hope.......

I do like Steve harvey's comic laugh and indeed i laughed the same way when i read your quora post and your comment about indians. Just suggesting that the rounded text is not completely true and indians are not the biggest scammers. Hope you understand it, my dear old friend and hold no grudge/hatred, being a moderator of this forum

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-prob ... or-Indians

A wise man in this forum once said "please get rid of the chip on your shoulder".

[Strong Eagle]

I stand by my comments. Why do you think that Indians are so closely vetted by the Singapore authorities? Everything from fake degrees to fake resumes, fake credentials, and fake salaries.

Certainly not all Indians... but with the large number who apply, certainly a significant percentage.

Some of the more egregious examples:

Fake pilots: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-12857742

Fake degrees: https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/people/a ... anada-left

Fake doctors: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/rise-fak ... are-n7nxf/

Fake universities: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/edu ... 125862.cms

Fake resumes: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/edu ... 125862.cms

India certainly isn't the only place where such transgressions occur, but because of the large population, it means that many fakes will be received by the Singapore government.

Do you know why PR applications take so long to process? Because the ICA has learned that it must carefully vet every application for honesty. That means hiring foreign firms who will look into university credentials, job history, criminal history, and family history.

I stand by my comments. Prove me wrong.

[hopeislife]

Kindly note your original words in quora:
""and because indians have been the biggest scammers when it comes to getting PR,..."

You just simply said indians have been biggest scammers when it comes to getting PR, and you did not say "some indians", or "few indians", or anything that signifies some portion of a mass population.
There are scams or fake degrees in almost every nation, not just India.

I stand by my comments. Why do you think that Indians are so closely vetted by the Singapore authorities? Everything from fake degrees to fake resumes, fake credentials, and fake salaries.

It is not just Indians that are so closely vetted by Sg authorities, in fact all nationalities are closely vetted. I can even say other nations that do fake degrees, fake resumes, credentials, salaries, etc. But I dont want to speak ill of other countries just to prove my point.

Certainly not all Indians... but with the large number who apply, certainly a significant percentage.

Your first phrase "certainly not all indians" is the text that should have been in your quora post. But it is not there, which makes that statement in quora feel like you are speaking of all indians in general.

Some of the more egregious examples:

Fake pilots: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-12857742

Fake degrees: https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/people/a ... anada-left

Fake doctors: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/rise-fak ... are-n7nxf/

Fake universities: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/edu ... 125862.cms

Fake resumes: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/edu ... 125862.cms

I can google many such links about other nationalities here that apply for PR and the links are not exhaustive. Sharing many links does not prove anything other than the fact that there are scams/fakes in india. It does not prove "indians have been the biggest scammers when it comes to PR" as per your sentence.

India certainly isn't the only place where such transgressions occur, but because of the large population, it means that many fakes will be received by the Singapore government.

Your argument that "because of large population, it means many fakes will be received by Sg government" is just your assumption. Just saying that because of larger population there will be more number of fakes is not a valid argument. And indians are not even the highest population in sg. Note that even MOM does the same vetting for every indian when they get EP or SP before applying for PR. So your argument that indians applying for pr have fake degrees is not believable, as they are already screened for their degree qualifications/ job history/criminal history before working here. I believe MOM does a very good background check even before any indian can work here.

Do you know why PR applications take so long to process? Because the ICA has learned that it must carefully vet every application for honesty. That means hiring foreign firms who will look into university credentials, job history, criminal history, and family history.

PR applications taking so long to process may have many different reasons. For example, I got my PR after 21 months of processing. Out of my 3 degrees, only 1 degree is from india (which they might have verified when giving me two times [student pass], two times [Employment pass], and one LTVP. The remaining 2 degrees, i got in SG. So you want to say that they took 21 months just to verify my 1 degree in india which they have already verified many times when issuing my student and work passes? So they have already looked into my job history, criminal history and family history.

The main reason for long processing time for indians is high application number and low quota, not just the vetting process. Moreover, you cannot prove which factor took how much time in the processing period of a pr application, as you are not ICA. So your observations are just as good as mine.

I stand by my comments. Prove me wrong.

It is your wish to stand by your comments and likewise i stand by my explanation that your original words just speaks about indians in general saying 'biggest scammers', which anyone can say about anyone else. I cant prove you wrong because i dont have the statistical numbers of 'scammers in each nationality who apply for sg pr", and the same applies to you that you cant prove your original statement other than just stating that india has large population. Hope you realize there are other nationalities that applies similar number of pr applications as indians.

I know you are of a different generation and from a developed country. I have read almost all posts of the moderators in this PR forum and some posts of few moderators are derogative to indians. If that is what gives you happiness then it is upto you.

I stand by my comments that your original statement about indians is like speaking all indians in general.

[Strong Eagle]

You are projecting your own prejudices on me and attempting to prove something that is not true. I don't accept that.

You have already demonstrated in your posts that you think Indians are discriminated against. So obviously, I must be one of "those" people. Take the mote out of your eye and ask yourself, "Who is actually being discriminatory and accusatory here?" It ain't me.

[bleurover]

would like to thank all the contributors here.
Just got my PR approved, here is my profile if you are interested.
Our application is successful after trying for 2nd time.

Profile: family (me + wife (not working) + 2 years old boy (born in SG))
Indonesian chinese (early 30's)
Length of of stay when applying: 3 years
Job: Sales
Industry: Manufacturing
Salary: 130K annually

Good luck for everyone who are still applying / consider applying. Keep trying and don't give up!

[singaporeflyer]

would like to thank all the contributors here.
Just got my PR approved, here is my profile if you are interested.
Our application is successful after trying for 2nd time.

Profile: family (me + wife (not working) + 2 years old boy (born in SG))
Indonesian chinese (early 30's)
Length of of stay when applying: 3 years
Job: Sales
Industry: Manufacturing
Salary: 130K annually

Good luck for everyone who are still applying / consider applying. Keep trying and don't give up!

congratulations

[Mrsalt]

May be stupid question but doesnt hurt to ask...

Guy from DBS bank was trying to sell me a long-term investment plan the other day. Offhandedly said having long-term investment is beneficial for PR app bc it may demonstrate that you really plan to stick around. Said one of his client also get PR 1 yr after starting to invest with him also.

Feel like he fluffing me but doesnt hurt to check. Does this hold water?

Im a VNmese local uni grad (NUS) 28 yo single no kids earns ~76k + bonus (2 mths) in local aerospace MRO company. Alrdy applied once last year rejected.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Major fluff. He just tryin' his best to make monthly KPI. Doesn't do anything for PR or citizenship. Only you own pocket.