You have a wrong conception that companies will continue to remain here for safety, air quality, corruption free etc.k_as_in_cat wrote:Wd40, zzm thanks for your thoughts.
It would be a bit off-topic to get into a debate about who is suitable for what job but it's worth bearing in mind that Singapore has a high standard of academic achievement and although in the past Singapore had to source talent from beyond its shores, nowadays that talent is being cultivated at home. Attitudes are slowly shifting away from the dependence on FT to encouraging Local Talent in key areas. Expat packages are disappearing, local terms are the norm so now there is a situation where companies can choose between LT and FT on a pure cost basis. Hence the surge in Indian nationals in Singapore as they too are well educated, well travelled and cost less than LT and FT from other countries. This is a headache for the Government here because Singaporeans expect wages to keep pace with a rising standard of living. The reality is that since 2007 we have been living in a world of wage deflation (relative to the cost of living) and it seems that nothing short of a global economic miracle is going to change this. Do most people understand this? Of course not, in all parts of the globe, citizens are blaming the immigrants for their problems and in this respect Singapore is no different.
There are many reasons why companies will continue to locate to Singapore not least is the ease of doing business here, serious IP protection and access to the rest of Asia. Personally, air quality, safety and a sensible tax regime are big factors for us choosing to stay here. For many big companies, Singapore is the no-brainer place to be. Sure, there are plenty of LLCs in the region, but these don't boast the quality of life and business opportunities you'll find here.
PR is about residence and residence is not just about tax contributions but also the role played by the individual in Singapore's daily life. What's the point of having PR if all someone does is sit in their club of choice and complain about maids and taxi drivers? That's why I suggest joining a grassroots or voluntary organisation - a chance to get to know your neighbours and for them to get to know you too. So far as I am aware, grassroots is politically neutral.
If you want PR in a hurry, head down to Sentosa Cove and buy a $20-$50 million house - I hear they still come with free PR.
k_as_in_cat wrote:It would be a bit off-topic to get into a debate about who is suitable for what job but it's worth bearing in mind that Singapore has a high standard of academic achievement and although in the past Singapore had to source talent from beyond its shores, nowadays that talent is being cultivated at home. Attitudes are slowly shifting away from the dependence on FT to encouraging Local Talent in key areas.
What I think you wanted to say above is that Singapore managed to increase its own middle-higher class base of technical, skilled people. With this I can in principle agree although majority of them fit the local quality standards only. But yes, they can compete with so called FT from SE Asia.
Expat packages are disappearing, local terms are the norm so now there is a situation where companies can choose between LT and FT on a pure cost basis. Hence the surge in Indian nationals in Singapore as they too are well educated, well travelled and cost less than LT and FT from other countries. This is a headache for the Government here because Singaporeans expect wages to keep pace with a rising standard of living. The reality is that since 2007 we have been living in a world of wage deflation (relative to the
Expat packages disappear also for the reason that everything is getting more and more expensive around. Not every company can afford this. Was that ever a norm that majority of the "FTs" from the subcontinents were here on the expat packages? I doubt so. And yes, gross of the current political problems are due to the low quality low wage "FT" intake. What went wrong IMHO was the right balance. To provide the economy growth and maintenance the gov. took a social loan and have currently problems with paying the interests.
cost of living) and it seems that nothing short of a global economic miracle is going to change this. Do most people understand this? Of course not, in all parts of the globe, citizens are blaming the immigrants for their problems and in this respect Singapore is no different.
There are many reasons why companies will continue to locate to Singapore not least is the ease of doing business here, serious IP protection and access to the rest of Asia. Personally, air quality, safety and a sensible tax regime are big factors for us choosing to stay here. For many big companies, Singapore is the no-brainer place to be. Sure, there are plenty of LLCs in the region, but these don't boast the quality of life and business opportunities you'll find here.
For many big manufacturing companies it is no brainer to go to Indonesia or China instead of staying here. This has been already happening for few good years. Air quality and personal safety (within reasonable range) will have no effect on staying or going for particular business. Friendly State including tax system - yes, but this is like a prerequisite. This is what has made possible what is still around but this factor is something like a constant. It will not get better (significantly) to combat the growing costs of production. Hopefully biotechnology will kick off at one point together with some high value added manufacturing.
PR is about residence and residence is not just about tax contributions but also the role played by the individual in Singapore's daily life. What's the point of having PR if all someone does is sit in their club of choice and complain about maids and taxi drivers?
That's why I suggest joining a grassroots or voluntary organisation - a chance to get to know your neighbours and for them to get to know you too. So far as I am aware, grassroots is politically neutral.
This is in principle a good suggestion but often difficult to translate to practice especially for these FT that Singapore needs most. Besides, AFAIK GR = PAP. Not that I have anything against PAP, but it is not as you claim politically neutral.
If you want PR in a hurry, head down to Sentosa Cove and buy a $20-$50 million house - I hear they still come with free PR.
Structure of the NRIC number/FIN
The structure of the NRIC number/FIN is #0000000@ where:
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This is a letter that can be "S", "F", "T" or "G" depending on the status of the holder.
For Singapore citizens and permanent residents, this is the century prefix.
The NRIC number for citizens and permanent residents born before the year 2000 is assigned the letter "S". "S" is the 19th letter in the English alphabet, denoting that the person was born in the 1900s (1900–1999). It was commonly believed before 2000 that the "S" stands for Singapore, especially since the letter "F" was used for foreigners. It is unknown, however, if that was ever the intended meaning.
Singapore citizens and permanent residents born in 2000 and beyond are assigned the letter "T". "T" is the 20th letter in the English alphabet, denoting the person was born in the years 2000–2099.
Foreigners holding employment or student passes issued before 2000 are assigned the letter "F".
Foreigners holding employment or student passes issued in and after 2000 are assigned the letter "G".
0000000
This is a 7 digit serial number assigned to the document holder
For Singapore citizens and permanent residents born in 1968 and after, their NRIC number will start with their year of birth e.g. 71xxxxx#. For those born in 1967 and earlier, the NRIC number does not relate to year of birth, and commonly begins with 0 or 1. Non-native Singaporeans who were born before 1965 are assigned the heading numbers 2 or 3 upon conversion of permanent residency (PR) or citizenship.
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This is the checksum letter calculated based on # and 0000000.
The algorithm to calculate the checksum of the NRIC is not publicly available; as of 1999, the Ministry of Home Affairs only sold the algorithm to Singapore-based organizations demonstrating a "legitimate need" for it.[6] That said, the checksum algorithms for the NRIC (S- and T-series) and the FIN have been easily reverse-engineered, such as described by Ngiam.[7]
offshoreoildude wrote:There's a whole algorithm behind the numbering system I read somewhere the S comes from pre 2000 and the T from 2000 on - the digits are related to the quarterly period the IC was issued in... it might have been on this board in fact that I read this.sundaymorningstaple wrote:All FIN number start with either the letter "F" or "G". Regardless of the level. In fact even WP numbers start with either of the same two letters. That only changes when you get PR/Citizenship and at that time you will no longer have a FIN number but will be replaced with an NRIC number starting with the letter "S".
I thought we had rolled over to T's now for IC's issued in the new century? Birth certs from 2000 onwards have had T's in front and the NRIC number follows the birth cert number - at least for my two pikninnis.
The above is incorrect or at least not precise.sundaymorningstaple wrote:For those born in 1967 and earlier, the NRIC number does not relate to year of birth, and commonly begins with 0 or 1. Non-native Singaporeans who were born before 1965 are assigned the heading numbers 2 or 3 upon conversion of permanent residency (PR) or citizenship.
sundaymorningstaple wrote:OSOD was correct on the NRIC Lettering/numbering system. Following explains:
Structure of the NRIC number/FIN
The structure of the NRIC number/FIN is #0000000@ where:
#
This is a letter that can be "S", "F", "T" or "G" depending on the status of the holder.
For Singapore citizens and permanent residents, this is the century prefix.
The NRIC number for citizens and permanent residents born before the year 2000 is assigned the letter "S". "S" is the 19th letter in the English alphabet, denoting that the person was born in the 1900s (1900–1999). It was commonly believed before 2000 that the "S" stands for Singapore, especially since the letter "F" was used for foreigners. It is unknown, however, if that was ever the intended meaning.
Singapore citizens and permanent residents born in 2000 and beyond are assigned the letter "T". "T" is the 20th letter in the English alphabet, denoting the person was born in the years 2000–2099.
Foreigners holding employment or student passes issued before 2000 are assigned the letter "F".
Foreigners holding employment or student passes issued in and after 2000 are assigned the letter "G".
0000000
This is a 7 digit serial number assigned to the document holder
For Singapore citizens and permanent residents born in 1968 and after, their NRIC number will start with their year of birth e.g. 71xxxxx#. For those born in 1967 and earlier, the NRIC number does not relate to year of birth, and commonly begins with 0 or 1. Non-native Singaporeans who were born before 1965 are assigned the heading numbers 2 or 3 upon conversion of permanent residency (PR) or citizenship.
@
This is the checksum letter calculated based on # and 0000000.
The algorithm to calculate the checksum of the NRIC is not publicly available; as of 1999, the Ministry of Home Affairs only sold the algorithm to Singapore-based organizations demonstrating a "legitimate need" for it.[6] That said, the checksum algorithms for the NRIC (S- and T-series) and the FIN have been easily reverse-engineered, such as described by Ngiam.[7]offshoreoildude wrote:There's a whole algorithm behind the numbering system I read somewhere the S comes from pre 2000 and the T from 2000 on - the digits are related to the quarterly period the IC was issued in... it might have been on this board in fact that I read this.sundaymorningstaple wrote:All FIN number start with either the letter "F" or "G". Regardless of the level. In fact even WP numbers start with either of the same two letters. That only changes when you get PR/Citizenship and at that time you will no longer have a FIN number but will be replaced with an NRIC number starting with the letter "S".
I thought we had rolled over to T's now for IC's issued in the new century? Birth certs from 2000 onwards have had T's in front and the NRIC number follows the birth cert number - at least for my two pikninnis.
Why hold your breath? It's in the hands of the ICA gods. You might be lucky to get into the new quotas rumoured to be generated by the 6.9MM whitepaper however Caucasians (I assume you're not a black French family or an Algerian French family) fall into the 'other' basket which is a little over subscribed I believe.Solal wrote:Interesting thead,
We applied in early November with my wife and son (almost 5 month), and we are in Pending status. The officer told us that a reply should come between 4 to 6 month. It seems to be a various rule apparently
Could you guys give an advice on our application based on the latest political climate in Singapore ?
1) Applied with Me + Wife + Son (2yo)
2) French nationality
3) Me: IT Manager in a Bank (salary 11.5k$)
4) Wife: ESD Consultant, Green Mark certified professional
5) In Singapore since 1.5y only (weak point I guess )
6) Me holding Master degree in IT, Wife holding Bachelor degree in Science / building design
7) Cash flows incoming from France (we are moving our savings from France to Singapore in order to settle and try to buy something)
8) Current PEP holder (previous P1), Wife S-Pass and Son (PEP) DP
We are really hoping on PR status since we fell in love of Singapore and want to settle here, my wife would like to apply for a master degree here in sustainability and building design, and we are trying to save some money to try to buy an appartment.
Should we hold our breath or not hoping too much on it, and live our EP life ?
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