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Post by singaporeflyer » Thu, 08 Feb 2024 9:36 am

acsupskill wrote:
Tue, 06 Feb 2024 3:54 am
I would like to update my case here and get some feedback

Race - Indian
Age - 43
Staying in Singapore - 14+ years
Working in Fintech banking IT
Applied PR 10times plus and keep getting rejected
Last one - rejected last month after 13 months of waiting
Salary - 170K plus annually
Spouse working in IT
2 kids studying n local school

Pls advise what could be the reason for rejections

I noticed in last few applications I wrongly mentioned the place of issue of passport as India but actually it is printed as Singapore since I got it through Singapore embassy

This document error may be the cause?
Highly frustrated

Pls help. Thanks
Rejection reason is not because of location of issue of passport.

Main reason for rejection is Age and Ethnicity.

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Post by Drax_Bambrok » Mon, 11 Mar 2024 4:16 pm

Hi All, my PR application has just been approved. I am having a thought here.
I am currently single with no kids. Let's say a few years from now, I left Singapore.

After that, I renounce/let my PR lapse before I get married. Then, I have a son.
This wouldn't be classified as avoiding NS, am I right?

Would my status as a former PR affect my son's ability to work in Singapore under EP or apply for PR on his own merit?

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 11 Mar 2024 11:37 pm

Correct. Would not be an issue. Only his qualifying for it in his personal capacity and credentials.
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Post by iphonemini2024 » Mon, 08 Apr 2024 4:24 pm

Hi All,

Just wanted to get some insights about how hopeful I should be about my PR application. I just submitted mine today and if the application turns out to be unsuccessful, I will be trying again when my circumstances improve.

Age: 27, born in Singapore with Singapore Birth Certificate, took PSLE, O-Levels and A-Levels in Singapore

Highest qualification: A-Level certificate (will be enrolling into SUSS this July for part time degree so omitted from application as not enrolled yet)

Nationality/Race: Malaysian Chinese

Salary: $3,200 per month (2024 NOA was $42,000/yr including bonuses)

Working in a law firm as a secretary

Both parents deceased but my aunts and uncles are Singaporeans / PRs

Have been residing here since primary school

Any insights will be appreciated 😊 Thank you.

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Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 09 Apr 2024 11:37 am

iphonemini2024 wrote:
Mon, 08 Apr 2024 4:24 pm
Hi All,

Just wanted to get some insights about how hopeful I should be about my PR application. I just submitted mine today and if the application turns out to be unsuccessful, I will be trying again when my circumstances improve.

Age: 27, born in Singapore with Singapore Birth Certificate, took PSLE, O-Levels and A-Levels in Singapore

Highest qualification: A-Level certificate (will be enrolling into SUSS this July for part time degree so omitted from application as not enrolled yet)

Nationality/Race: Malaysian Chinese

Salary: $3,200 per month (2024 NOA was $42,000/yr including bonuses)

Working in a law firm as a secretary

Both parents deceased but my aunts and uncles are Singaporeans / PRs

Have been residing here since primary school

Any insights will be appreciated 😊 Thank you.
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Post by Hemanthoor » Thu, 11 Apr 2024 10:27 pm

Hi Experts,

I am following this forum for a while, being an Indian after reading SFs bold responses, i already lost my hope. After 4 times of rejection applied again,

Indian, Banking IT, $150K
37 Years old, Masters in India.

Wife, Banking IT, $120K
36 years old, Masters in india

Length of stay 7 years.

2 Sons, 9 years and 3 years old.

First son recently cleared AEIS and joined P3 in local school. Other than that no other remarkable changes from my pervious application.

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Post by hopeislife » Fri, 12 Apr 2024 10:00 pm

Hemanthoor wrote:
Thu, 11 Apr 2024 10:27 pm
Hi Experts,

I am following this forum for a while, being an Indian after reading SFs bold responses, i already lost my hope. After 4 times of rejection applied again,

Indian, Banking IT, $150K
37 Years old, Masters in India.

Wife, Banking IT, $120K
36 years old, Masters in india

Length of stay 7 years.

2 Sons, 9 years and 3 years old.

First son recently cleared AEIS and joined P3 in local school. Other than that no other remarkable changes from my pervious application.
One of the key reasons i can guess is both of you are in banking / IT sector which is not in demand. High salary and having sons studying in public school is not always the only factor that decides one's approval. Having said that you have stayed here for just 7 years, which in my opinion is less than the average length of stay of indians (8-10yrs) who apply for pr.

May be you can try and keep applying for pr and see how it goes. Nowadays its not easy. There is also integration factor that is sometimes tricky to guess how they determine your level of integration. Your only hope now is to keep applying I guess but should not be surprised if you dont get it.

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Post by singaporeflyer » Sat, 13 Apr 2024 9:29 pm

Hemanthoor wrote:
Thu, 11 Apr 2024 10:27 pm
Hi Experts,

I am following this forum for a while, being an Indian after reading SFs bold responses, i already lost my hope. After 4 times of rejection applied again,

Indian, Banking IT, $150K
37 Years old, Masters in India.

Wife, Banking IT, $120K
36 years old, Masters in india

Length of stay 7 years.

2 Sons, 9 years and 3 years old.

First son recently cleared AEIS and joined P3 in local school. Other than that no other remarkable changes from my pervious application.
Should be OK. Will eventually get it.

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Post by BharaniK » Wed, 17 Apr 2024 4:34 pm

Hi everyone,

I'm currently preparing to apply for Singapore PR (after multiple failed attempts) would love to leverage the valuable knowledge within this community.

I've been working in Singapore (in IT secotr) since April 2012, but I briefly relocated for a job opportunity in the UAE last year (February 2nd, 2023). After careful consideration, I decided to return to Singapore in August 2023 and successfully renewed my EP on the 2nd of August.

My question is: Considering my recent return and 6-month absence, would I still be eligible for Singapore PR based on the ICA's criteria?

Additionally, my company recently went through an acquisition, resulting in a new 2-year EP valid until April 2026. When applying for PR, can I use the latest 6-month salary certificate from my new employer, or should I wait for a longer tenure with them?

Any insights or advice from those who have navigated the PR process would be greatly appreciated! I'm eager to learn and ensure a smooth application experience.
brief of my profile:
Indian, 49, working in IT Sector, Living in Singapore for close to 11 and half years (excluding 6 months break in UAE).
Wife, Home Maker, 47.
Children are living (working/studying) overseas. Hoping to apply for PR for me and my wife only.

Thanks in advance,

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Post by singaporeflyer » Wed, 17 Apr 2024 6:02 pm

BharaniK wrote:
Wed, 17 Apr 2024 4:34 pm
Hi everyone,

I'm currently preparing to apply for Singapore PR (after multiple failed attempts) would love to leverage the valuable knowledge within this community.

I've been working in Singapore (in IT secotr) since April 2012, but I briefly relocated for a job opportunity in the UAE last year (February 2nd, 2023). After careful consideration, I decided to return to Singapore in August 2023 and successfully renewed my EP on the 2nd of August.

My question is: Considering my recent return and 6-month absence, would I still be eligible for Singapore PR based on the ICA's criteria?

Additionally, my company recently went through an acquisition, resulting in a new 2-year EP valid until April 2026. When applying for PR, can I use the latest 6-month salary certificate from my new employer, or should I wait for a longer tenure with them?

Any insights or advice from those who have navigated the PR process would be greatly appreciated! I'm eager to learn and ensure a smooth application experience.
brief of my profile:
Indian, 49, working in IT Sector, Living in Singapore for close to 11 and half years (excluding 6 months break in UAE).
Wife, Home Maker, 47.
Children are living (working/studying) overseas. Hoping to apply for PR for me and my wife only.

Thanks in advance,
Going to be very tough and low chance.

Because of
1. Age
2. The 6 months gap showed that you may leave if there are better opportunities elsewhere.
3. Ethnic quota

No one will know ICA's criteria for approval. Nothing will stop you from applying with the above details that you shared, but outcome wise close to Nil chance.

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Post by hopeislife » Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:50 am

BharaniK wrote:
Wed, 17 Apr 2024 4:34 pm
Hi everyone,

I'm currently preparing to apply for Singapore PR (after multiple failed attempts) would love to leverage the valuable knowledge within this community.

I've been working in Singapore (in IT sector) since April 2012, but I briefly relocated for a job opportunity in the UAE last year (February 2nd, 2023). After careful consideration, I decided to return to Singapore in August 2023 and successfully renewed my EP on the 2nd of August.

Indian, 49,
Wife, Home Maker, 47.
Children are living (working/studying) overseas. Hoping to apply for PR for me and my wife only.
I am quite speechless from the fact that you ask for the PR chances with so much negative factors. :???: This makes me feel like you have not read the current trends and challenges that Indian applicants face for pr approval. I suggest you to spend at least 30mins to 60mins every day to just go through various posts under this PR subforum to make yourself to be aware of the reality. All the bold letters in my quote are your negative factors.

I agree 100% with 'singaporeflyer' and the major rejection factor is that your children will stay overseas and you intend to get PR for you and your wife only. Regarding your question, yes, you can apply for pr once you have your payslips for the last 6months in your current employment and your recent job location may have some impact on your approval. My personal guess is that it is quite impossible to get with the facts that you said. If at all you need a fair chance, at least bring your children to sg and study or work here and apply as a family. You haven't mentioned your salary and work profile, so I cannot comment much on that factor.

Of course, we do encourage you to apply and do let us know if you get approved, as it can be a valuable learning and data point for us to know that it is still possible for indians to get PR for parents only even with many negative factors.

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Post by singaporeflyer » Thu, 18 Apr 2024 11:08 am

hopeislife wrote:
Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:50 am
BharaniK wrote:
Wed, 17 Apr 2024 4:34 pm
Hi everyone,

I'm currently preparing to apply for Singapore PR (after multiple failed attempts) would love to leverage the valuable knowledge within this community.

I've been working in Singapore (in IT sector) since April 2012, but I briefly relocated for a job opportunity in the UAE last year (February 2nd, 2023). After careful consideration, I decided to return to Singapore in August 2023 and successfully renewed my EP on the 2nd of August.

Indian, 49,
Wife, Home Maker, 47.
Children are living (working/studying) overseas. Hoping to apply for PR for me and my wife only.
I am quite speechless from the fact that you ask for the PR chances with so much negative factors. :???: This makes me feel like you have not read the current trends and challenges that Indian applicants face for pr approval. I suggest you to spend at least 30mins to 60mins every day to just go through various posts under this PR subforum to make yourself to be aware of the reality. All the bold letters in my quote are your negative factors.

I agree 100% with 'singaporeflyer' and the major rejection factor is that your children will stay overseas and you intend to get PR for you and your wife only. Regarding your question, yes, you can apply for pr once you have your payslips for the last 6months in your current employment and your recent job location may have some impact on your approval. My personal guess is that it is quite impossible to get with the facts that you said. If at all you need a fair chance, at least bring your children to sg and study or work here and apply as a family. You haven't mentioned your salary and work profile, so I cannot comment much on that factor.

Of course, we do encourage you to apply and do let us know if you get approved, as it can be a valuable learning and data point for us to know that it is still possible for indians to get PR for parents only even with many negative factors.
On one line you are saying impossible to get and in the next paragraph, you are encouraging him to apply. :shock:

Bring his kids to SG, will not improve chances as the main reason for rejection is not that.

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Post by Strong Eagle » Thu, 18 Apr 2024 11:51 am

BharaniK wrote:
Wed, 17 Apr 2024 4:34 pm
Hi everyone,

I'm currently preparing to apply for Singapore PR...
Here's your problem, in my view. As an EP, you have not been contributing to CPF. At your age, you've missed at least 20 years worth of CPF contributions had you been working under PR.

So, at most, you've got about 20 years of earnings to contribute to CPF and that probably won't be enough of a nest egg to guarantee that you can reside in Singapore until you die.

Perhaps if you're able to demonstrate independent investments sufficient to carry you through to death, this might not matter. Otherwise, even if you do get PR, you are always going to have to wait for the day your PR doesn't get renewed because you retired and the gahmen doesn't think you have enough money to support yourself to the end of your life. PR really isn't permanent.

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Post by hopeislife » Mon, 29 Apr 2024 11:34 pm

singaporeflyer wrote:
Thu, 18 Apr 2024 11:08 am
On one line you are saying impossible to get and in the next paragraph, you are encouraging him to apply. :shock:
Thats because what we say here is our opinion based on given details and we are not ICA. So the best way is to give our opinion and let them try their PR application, as only ICA can decide.
Bring his kids to SG, will not improve chances as the main reason for rejection is not that.
Ofcourse, bringing his kids to SG may not improve his chances, but that is one of the factors that he can control. For example, his age may be the main reason for rejection, but he cannot do anything about it. So at least he can bring his kids to SG and apply for all of them after some length of stay, so that he can have a slightly better chance than applying with kids overseas, and this is something in his control. Hence, I said so.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 30 Apr 2024 1:44 am

hopeislife wrote:
Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:50 am

I am quite speechless ....
One could only hope....... :roll:
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