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PR Application - Together or Separate

Postby randomluser » Mon, 16 Jul 2012 2:48 pm

Hi all,

What would the veterans on the board recommend - my wife and myself apply for PR separately, or together (with myself as the primary applicant)?

1) my wife and I are both Philippines passport holders
2) both working for the same American MNC
3) both P2
4) I have 3 tax returns, she has 2
5) No male heirs

Now for the spoiler - she has a uni degree from PH but I do not (did not complete). I did note this lack on my EP application back then.

Since I got here, I have gotten a post-graduate cert from an AU school (they waived the B.Sc. requirement due to my relevant work experience).

So given the spoiler - can anyone share any insights?

p.s. in my original post in February, somebody came in with a sob story about a Western man and fornicating soon-to-be ex-wife. I have no idea how that got in there.. I have no knowledge or affiliation with that poster, just to be clear :???:

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Re: PR Application - Together or Separate

Postby singaporeflyer » Mon, 16 Jul 2012 3:00 pm

randomluser wrote:Hi all,

What would the veterans on the board recommend - my wife and myself apply for PR separately, or together (with myself as the primary applicant)?

1) my wife and I are both Philippines passport holders
2) both working for the same American MNC
3) both P2
4) I have 3 tax returns, she has 2
5) No male heirs

Now for the spoiler - she has a uni degree from PH but I do not (did not complete). I did note this lack on my EP application back then.

Since I got here, I have gotten a post-graduate cert from an AU school (they waived the B.Sc. requirement due to my relevant work experience).

So given the spoiler - can anyone share any insights?

p.s. in my original post in February, somebody came in with a sob story about a Western man and fornicating soon-to-be ex-wife. I have no idea how that got in there.. I have no knowledge or affiliation with that poster, just to be clear :???:


Wait for 2 years, improve your educational qualification and then try?

Also, who is going to be the main applicant? But surely applying together is better.

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Postby randomluser » Mon, 16 Jul 2012 3:04 pm

Thanks for confirming the "applying together is better" part. If we applied together I would be the main applicant (I've been in SG longer).

As for waiting another 2 years - well I've already been here almost 4 years.. I had assumed that was sufficient.

In any case I already booked the submission appointment. If the PR is not approved, it's not the end of the world. It is just difficult to do long-term planning with the possibility of having to leave hanging over one's head.

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Re: PR Application - Together or Separate

Postby friendlybossy » Sun, 22 Jul 2012 7:38 pm

randomluser wrote:Hi all,

What would the veterans on the board recommend - my wife and myself apply for PR separately, or together (with myself as the primary applicant)?

1) my wife and I are both Philippines passport holders
2) both working for the same American MNC
3) both P2
4) I have 3 tax returns, she has 2
5) No male heirs

Now for the spoiler - she has a uni degree from PH but I do not (did not complete). I did note this lack on my EP application back then.

Since I got here, I have gotten a post-graduate cert from an AU school (they waived the B.Sc. requirement due to my relevant work experience).

So given the spoiler - can anyone share any insights?

p.s. in my original post in February, somebody came in with a sob story about a Western man and fornicating soon-to-be ex-wife. I have no idea how that got in there.. I have no knowledge or affiliation with that poster, just to be clear :???:


With the current tightening rules on foreign work force and immigrations, you should worry about being able to renew your EP under the new framework instead. And applying separately while being married will raise a red flag in your intention to settle down here permanently as a family so do not take the risk

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Postby ben8118 » Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:57 pm

Hi,

I applied separately and did not include spouse. When I lodge my application I was here for less than 1 year.

Got my PR after 2 months.

To apply alone or together? The choice is yours. I'm just sharing my experience.

Oh yah...would like to share some interesting facts. Alot of indian nationals obtained their citizenship lately :)

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Postby Saint » Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:28 am

Unfortunately the previous poster is our resident troll on PR/Citizenshipmwho makes some of the most ridiculous statements that he can't back up with facts.

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Postby the lynx » Thu, 26 Jul 2012 8:54 am

I will have to agree with friendlybossy's remarks and dismiss ben8118's ill-conceived points. He has alluded that his opinions are infallible just because he has experienced a speedy PR application approval for himself as a Malaysian and questions others' experience. And he dispenses his one-sided remarks and defends them, at expense of other posters' attempts for objective decision-making and consideration.

And he can do it, just because he is anonymous in this board, just like most of us, but we're here long enough to contribute as much as we can and make this forum feel like home.

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Postby ben8118 » Thu, 26 Jul 2012 9:41 pm

Hi Lynx,

Ill-conceived? First if all, I did not say I'm a Malaysian. Please do not assume. If you trace back to my posting, I only seek clarification on fees and also the need to supply documents of family members if they are not in the application. Unfortunately, negative remarks and cold water has been thrown to me.

When I encourage other people to apply, you shoot me down as well. Also, some parts of my previous posting has been deleted. Where is freedom of speech?

I'm just sharing my personal experience, fellow friends and also colleagues who were successful in their applications. I do not see anything wrong and it's not one sided. I use facts and data to do my talking.

To fellow forum-ers out there. There's no right or wrong in the timing. Conclusions were made based on failure stories but out there, plenty of success stories. Those who posted here wish to find solution why their application was turned down. To those successful, majority of them wouldn't even bother to post. So, I will still stick to my stand. Go for it there's nothing to lose.

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Postby Mi Amigo » Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:13 pm

Well I think the point of contention here is as follows. You believe that there is never any harm in just applying, to see what happens, regardless of the circumstances. On the other hand, a number of the long-standing members here have a different opinion; namely that if applications could be potentially viewed as frivolous or inappropriate by the authorities, this may adversely impact the applicant's chances in future. And this is not just based on guesswork but rather the experiences of many people who have shared their stories on this forum.
Be careful what you wish for

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Postby ben8118 » Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:43 pm

Hi Amigo,

I myself have been reading this forum for a while and in fact I have this concern initially. But as I've mentioned, fellow colleagues and friends have been applying. Married, with kids and they apply ownself without including their family. They got their approval in 2-3 months time.

I do not see anything approriate if one choose to apply in a family unit or individual. The fact, it's better to apply individual. What if one party decided to split one fine day?

Anyway, it's up to the individual to evaluate and decide.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:59 pm

And as was asked the last time you crawled out from under your rock, you didn't answer then either, what is your ethnicity AND how long ago did your "friends" and "colleagues" get theirs? What was their ethnicity as well? Oh, exactlly how many of them are you talking about. That's data. You want to contribute data, then do so.

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Postby Mi Amigo » Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:03 pm

Sure it's up to the individual to evaluate and decide. But people who come here looking for advice will usually be given feedback based on the detailed experiences of others who have gone down the same (or a similar) path. So in order to stop this thread degenerating into a ping-pong game, and to add some value to the knowledge pool, can you provide more details of the people you know who were successful?

Whether we like it or not, race, nationality, salary / EP type, plus family details (including the inclusion or otherwise of male children in the application) are all significant factors in the outcome of the application. Without these details, just saying that you know other people who were successful is of limited value. To be clear, I haven't looked at your posting history to see whether you've already provided these details - if you have, then fair enough.

Edit to add: From SMS' comments above, it would seem that we don't have any details on the other successful applicants. If we could get that it potentially would add to the historical data at least. Of course, we also have to keep in mind that the landscape has changed significantly over the past 1-2 years.
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Postby ben8118 » Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:08 pm

SMS,

Up to date, 8 of my friends applied and all got their approval within 2-3 months. One of them got hers in 6 months time. Out of the 8, half applied their ownself. 2 of them, their spouse are already PR. Instead of going under their spouse, they applied their own under PTS. The other 2 applied ownself and have spouses and kids.

Out of the 8, five are malaysians. The rest from Indonesia and India. Also, just last week, one of my colleague from India obtained his citizenship.

FYI, I hold an australian passport.

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Postby ben8118 » Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:13 pm

Amigo,

I have colleagues from all over the world...Korean, Malaysian, Indian, PRC, Indonesian, Taiwanese etc.

I do not see any problems in them getting their approval. Majority of them started with employment pass and submit their application 1year after working.

Most of the people, I would say 90% of the people coming here to this forum are those that got their application rejected or having doubts in their application. There are alot of successful ones out there who did not post. You can say at the moment there's some ethnicity who are the flavor of the month but from my point of view, as long as you have a good qualification, career history I do not see any problems.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:27 pm

And as was asked the last time you crawled out from under your rock two months ago, you didn't answer then either, what is your ethnicity AND how long ago did your "friends" and "colleagues" get theirs? What was their ethnicity as well? Oh, exactlly how many of them are you talking about. That's data. You want to contribute data, then do so. The fact that you ARE Malaysian is not disputable unless you want me to post the links to your thread back in 2004 when trying to immigrate to Australia with less than one years experience. I am assuming that you are Chinese and the odds are very much against you being either Indian or Malay Malaysian. I am also assuming that your friend & colleagues are all test & design electronics engineers as well.


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