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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 23 Aug 2012 3:08 pm

ecureilx wrote:It used to be fun, when I did random test on that - I inserted 100,000 SGD as monthly salary with diploma qualification and it came out with a green light.

and then 5,000 SGD as salary with PHD and 20 years experience and it gave an amber light ..


Squirrel, that makes sense!

100K monthly is P1 qualifications. He's defo brilliant and doesn't need a degree. Go with green!

The 5K salary with PhD and 20 year experience in what? and if only working for 5K with a PhD? I'd defo be worried at his reliability/capability. Defo, would need amber on that one & probably RED.

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Postby the lynx » Thu, 23 Aug 2012 3:26 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:The 5K salary with PhD and 20 year experience in what? and if only working for 5K with a PhD? I'd defo be worried at his reliability/capability. Defo, would need amber on that one & probably RED.


Sad but true, gramps, sad but true.

I have few people from my cohort, with Masters and PhDs in entomology under their belt from the same university I came from.

Came to Singapore to work after graduating under the likes of your current company, earning less than 4K, let alone above 5K.

Sad but true, gramps, sad but true.

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 23 Aug 2012 3:37 pm

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sundaymorningstaple wrote:The 5K salary with PhD and 20 year experience in what? and if only working for 5K with a PhD? I'd defo be worried at his reliability/capability. Defo, would need amber on that one & probably RED.


Sad but true, gramps, sad but true.

I have few people from my cohort, with Masters and PhDs in entomology under their belt from the same university I came from.

Came to Singapore to work after graduating under the likes of your current company, earning less than 4K, let alone above 5K.

Sad but true, gramps, sad but true.


sometime ago, I met a guy, who is a doctoral something to with PhD who has been here for 10 years plus, and is earning less than 5K - completed his PhD all in scholarship, .. and was quite contented with his life .. and loves to be in research than go into the Commercial world and get stressed...

He had taken a test drive in Commercial world and that had been terrifying for him - now he is happy with the government perks and incentives and the travel he gets to present papers and participate ..

The key point in the ICA test tool was - it was for general guideline .. not something cast in stone ..

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 23 Aug 2012 4:00 pm

Unlike FB, we don't have a poke feature on the forum. :cool:

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Postby lolipop99 » Thu, 23 Aug 2012 4:13 pm

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lolipop99 wrote:I think they must have some software in the office when they just key in the data and it automatically will show the number of points you get and whether you have met the pass mark. That is what I guess since they took all the documents and go inside the ofiice and then the man come out only after 10 mins, they cannot do a thorough review in such a short time. I remember a few years ago when I applied for PR there is an online tool where we key in the data and they show green red or amber and explain if we are eligible or not, that systems has been taken away for so long I think, they say under maintainance but I guess they just remove it


Question: Did they take "ALL THE DOCUMENTS" or only ask for few ? Like for example, maybe you had testimonials and such from 10 employer .. was all of that taken for review ?? :)

Oh, the online time also had a disclaimer : that it is for a general assessment and doesn't guarantee success or failure.

It used to be fun, when I did random test on that - I inserted 100,000 SGD as monthly salary with diploma qualification and it came out with a green light.

and then 5,000 SGD as salary with PHD and 20 years experience and it gave an amber light ..


They need a full applications including company letter and all past tax returns, cpf history, degrees and cert, birth cert.. before they do the review. I have seen a guy ask to come back later as he lacks company letter in his file. The lady at the front counter will verify all the documents, she innitial her names and then walk inside to pass to her colleagues to review

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Postby the lynx » Thu, 23 Aug 2012 4:26 pm

Rejection cases are always disheartening but when a country is deemed very desirable to foreigners all around the region and the ICA is flooded with gazillion applications for PR and citizenship, I guess ICA can afford to be picky on who they want to grant approvals.

Sucks but a sad truth indeed.

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Postby lolipop99 » Thu, 23 Aug 2012 7:34 pm

the more chosy they are, the least likely they will get the right person who will want to stay here permanently. People like Gong Li, Jet Li are not even living in singapore, how many days are they staying here?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 23 Aug 2012 8:23 pm

The difference is that they bring "something" to Singapore. Be it only Face or Names (like the co-founder of FB) or some other 'benefit' which could be simple as a PR (Public Relations) coup. They always leave the codicil that allows them to bend or reinterpret the rules the way they see fit. It is, after all, their country and their ball and their court so they are free to make or break the rules.

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Postby zzm9980 » Fri, 24 Aug 2012 2:10 am

the lynx wrote:Sad but true, gramps, sad but true.

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Sad but true, gramps, sad but true.


:lol: =D> =D>

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 24 Aug 2012 7:05 am

ZZM, I tried to let that one slide, but you had to regurgitate it didn't you! :lol:

Not Gramps quite yet. Daughter is getting married in January so maybe in a couple more years.

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Postby the lynx » Fri, 24 Aug 2012 8:37 am

zzm9980 wrote:
the lynx wrote:Sad but true, gramps, sad but true.

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Sad but true, gramps, sad but true.


:lol: =D> =D>


SMS wrote:ZZM, I tried to let that one slide, but you had to regurgitate it didn't you!

Not Gramps quite yet. Daughter is getting married in January so maybe in a couple more years.


:D

If you know my age, you will know why 'gramps'. Mama told me that I must address like that to show respect. :forrest gump mode:

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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 24 Aug 2012 9:36 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:The difference is that they bring "something" to Singapore. Be it only Face or Names (like the co-founder of FB) or some other 'benefit' which could be simple as a PR (Public Relations) coup. .... .


Dr B.K. Modi for one more ..

And two Individuals from a South Asian country - both HNV individuals ...

Unlike B K Modi, what was common among the latter two was they didn't invest a dime here - apart from the apartment they own .. they were just they were using Singapore as a base for their regional investment programs .. both got citizenship within months of their deciding to buy an apartment here ..

Later I came to know that it was a sort of a PR coup for Singapore, to entice similar HNVs ...

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Postby the lynx » Fri, 24 Aug 2012 9:38 am

ecureilx wrote:Later I came to know that it was a sort of a PR coup for Singapore, to entice similar HNVs ...


What's HNV? Sorry, not familiar with that...

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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 24 Aug 2012 9:49 am

the lynx wrote:
ecureilx wrote:Later I came to know that it was a sort of a PR coup for Singapore, to entice similar HNVs ...


What's HNV? Sorry, not familiar with that...


HNV - the latest buzz word among Bankers .. High Net Worth Individuals ..

A Deutcshe bank friend clarified it as 'guys who have their money and look for investments' vs, 'guys who have other people's money .. '

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Postby enslaved » Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:51 pm

What is the approval rate for citizenship? I mean, what is the ratio of number of success to number of applicants? Have any idea?

Does male-child from previous marriage count for points in my favour?

If the house-hold income's large share is my spouse's (already a citizen) does it count still in my favour?

And one more question, which I asked earlier an year ago, but not in the following form: I work abroad, and will return to Singapore one year before the REP expiry, and will take up a job that would pay me only about barely 4.5K. Will it help? I can't get higher in academics.

The other negatives are, I don't have a flat yet as my previous wife snatched it from me for good, and the other is, may be my race which is Indian, and one more: I got PR only 2.333 years ago.

I have other positive points, like PHD degree in engineering, singaporean wife, and high CPF (contributing voluntarliy to the maximum limit per annum set by CPF board.)


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