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Postby offshoreoildude » Sat, 22 Dec 2012 5:57 pm

Wd40 wrote:Vishal Gupta, this is exactly what I meant when I said that Singapore is not that attractive to Indians anymore.

http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/15/si ... oreigners/

Although the last 3 paragraphs were totally unnecessary and shows his nativity, but you get the sentiment. 6k pm here and he would rather go to India. As you know Indians typically are all same and fit perfect stereotypes, he is not alone, there are plenty of them like him who havent yet bought hdb and are now going back happily. The ones who have bought hdb are stuck.


His statement;

"To add further injury to insult, why are we Indians working in Singapore? India is a resource rich country and booming.

We must develop India and stay there and not develop Singapore. In summary, Singapore isn’t well suited for living. Everything here is just hype, overly reliant on foreigners and nothing much compared to bigger countries."

IS absolutely spot on. There is no need for a qualified FT like him on a median salary to stay in Singapore. His other point - applying for PR was a mistake is also spot on - unless you REALLY intend to stay and suffer with the Sinkies there is no need for PR (i.e. if you're good enough to get a job here - just stay here on your pass until you've had enough). His point can be applied to many PRC, VN etc.... their countries will boom now too.
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Postby vishalgupta2 » Sat, 22 Dec 2012 9:25 pm

In addition to this, if the guy writing the article is suffering so much, why doesn't he just go back. If the Indian economy was booming so much as he says, he can just leave and go and find a job next day in India, but that's not the truth. Almost 90% of engineers in India make about 20k SGD a year.

He can't coz he doesn't even know what he wants. He writes this today and if he gets a job that pays him 7k instead of 6.2, the whole rant will go down the drain. The problem is every other person from the sub continent (PRC/India/Indo/Philippines/Myanmar etc etc) just want to trick the system.

From the article:
"I could afford to get someone to cook for me, someone else to clean the house and do the laundry and a third person to wash my car once a week."

This line sounds sick to me. Where does humanity go when people make maids work at their home for 25$ (or less) a month?

The author of this article is a guy who is obviously unwanted anywhere. He took PR just for convenience. Why is it so difficult for people to understand that PR is not a discount card to get subsidized stuff. It's a commitment.

17% of world population and 2% resources, economy based totally on outsourcing, rape of women being a everyday thing which no one even reads about, Human rights a joke, people randomly beaten by police (and anyone) for dating, government virtually non existent, not even a single reputed university in the country, politicians beating each other with shoes in the parliament, a scam a week, population growing at a ridiculous rate, inflation of 10%, currency decline of 50% in 5 years

I am sorry but all of those are signs of a declining country.

In addition please remember getting rich is NOT the same as becoming a first world country.

Instead of vague things like my friends are making 4k SGD a month, can someone point me to validated signs of a growing country in either India or Philippines or Burma or Indonesia?

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Postby Wd40 » Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:11 am

You have got several facts wrong there. The guy must have already gone home after writing that article and like I said earlier several people I know have gone back home.

Your comment about 20K SGD a year and 90% is total BS. I myself was making 30K SGD 3 years ago in India and now if I go back to India I can easily make 40k SGD a year and I consider myself very average. As a matter of fact the best of Indian IT talent doesnt even consider Singapore as an option. They go to the US and Europe and its the mediocre ones who find their way here. Now even the mediocre ones are finding Singapore not worth it and going back.

Your comment about if the person get 7k a month he will be happy is true. If you read the article again, he main problem with Singapore is the cost of living and the salary. Nobody said anything else is bad with Singapore. Singapore may be a 1st world country, but if you cannot drive a car and instead need to get squeezed in sardine cans and share a pigeon hole called HDB with strangers in it, I think your definition of 1st world is wrong.

The rest of your comments are all Anti India. Most of it may be true but thats not the topic of debate here. The topic here is people are leaving Singapore and going back to India because the cost of living here is going up and the quality of life is not there nor there are savings here anymore.

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Postby ututu » Sun, 23 Dec 2012 9:11 am

offshoreoildude wrote:
IS absolutely spot on. There is no need for a qualified FT like him on a median salary to stay in Singapore. His other point - applying for PR was a mistake is also spot on - unless you REALLY intend to stay and suffer with the Sinkies there is no need for PR (i.e. if you're good enough to get a job here - just stay here on your pass until you've had enough). His point can be applied to many PRC, VN etc.... their countries will boom now too.


I always chuckle when locals relate to being Sgrean using words like suffering, etc. And main issue they are upset about: others don't suffer as much. Not only they are miserable they want anyone who inhabits this island be as miserable as they are. Looks like those Gallups polls are not entirely wrong.

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Postby v4jr4 » Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:24 am

Wd40 wrote:You have got several facts wrong there. The guy must have already gone home after writing that article and like I said earlier several people I know have gone back home.


Not to turn it around, but unless we know who's the writer (Wd40, sounds like you know the writer so well), we're still in a mere speculation, no?

Wd40 wrote:If you read the article again, his main problem with Singapore is the cost of living and the salary.


It's not like he can't go back to India, yes?
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Postby vishalgupta2 » Tue, 25 Dec 2012 3:39 am

I have talked to a few people out there in India, infact one of my childhood friend runs one of the big recruitment and outsourcing companies in India (with offices in 6 cities and 1500 employees). The numbers I got are from him.

I don't think you know how difficult is it to get to US for Indians now. Even Canada stopped its PR program just because of Indian abuse.

The whole point here is, Indians, Chinese (and a few more) just want to keep gathering as many PRs as they can get (probably under desperation) without having the commitment to be PR. Most of the people from sub continent consider PR to be similar to a store reward card.

Do you have any clue what people think of Indians in US?

Wd40 wrote:Your comment about 20K SGD a year and 90% is total BS. I myself was making 30K SGD 3 years ago in India and now if I go back to India I can easily make 40k SGD a year and I consider myself very average. As a matter of fact the best of Indian IT talent doesnt even consider Singapore as an option. They go to the US and Europe and its the mediocre ones who find their way here. Now even the mediocre ones are finding Singapore not worth it and going back.

Your comment about if the person get 7k a month he will be happy is true. If you read the article again, he main problem with Singapore is the cost of living and the salary. Nobody said anything else is bad with Singapore. Singapore may be a 1st world country, but if you cannot drive a car and instead need to get squeezed in sardine cans and share a pigeon hole called HDB with strangers in it, I think your definition of 1st world is wrong.

The rest of your comments are all Anti India. Most of it may be true but thats not the topic of debate here. The topic here is people are leaving Singapore and going back to India because the cost of living here is going up and the quality of life is not there nor there are savings here anymore.

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Postby therat » Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:22 am

vishalgupta2 wrote:.

Do you have any clue what people think of Indians in US?



The impression is not very good.
I was at US for training for 6 weeks. Base on some casual talk with the colleague over there.
The impression is not very good.
What I heard is
Not able to perform
Take their own sweet time.
Don't bother the project schedule.
over commit and never deliver
Always tea break.

And look down on non-Caucasians.

That was 5 years ago.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 25 Dec 2012 12:36 pm

I have read all your posts WD40 and others in many discussion you had.
I am being impartial here and I am not being racist. I have worked and live in Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Kerala and even Doodalapoor.
Work with Indians.
They are intelligent people. Much clever than me I must say and that was thirty years ago.
That is all they have ; intelligence but lacking alot in many areas in some similarities Sgers I have come to know
Moving forward now and working and living in many countries, Indians are always being marginalised.
They done it to themselves and worse of all they even screwed their own countrymen.
Where I am working right now with a new contract, there were 30 others better qualified than me. Three quarter were Indian applicants from overseas.
Apart from the theory side of things, there were none that is able to portray in practical application.
This is not from me but from the CEO of CERA in NZ.
I was out of work for five months since August and was packing my bags back to Motala and I was offered a new contract due to "shortage" of experience applicants in my field.
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Postby vishalgupta2 » Tue, 25 Dec 2012 9:38 pm

therat wrote:
vishalgupta2 wrote:.

Do you have any clue what people think of Indians in US?



The impression is not very good.
I was at US for training for 6 weeks. Base on some casual talk with the colleague over there.
The impression is not very good.
What I heard is
Not able to perform
Take their own sweet time.
Don't bother the project schedule.
over commit and never deliver
Always tea break.

And look down on non-Caucasians.

That was 5 years ago.


Thank you my friend. I lived in US for many years (until mid 2012). I wrote that as a comment not as a question.

Your observations are very accurate and highly appreciable especially with the fact that you noticed all those during such a short stay.


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