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Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 28 Jun 2012 8:24 am

So what's going on with this? I haven't heard anything suddenly. I assume he's still holed up inside?

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 28 Jun 2012 8:34 am

Yeah the Ecuadorian president still wondering whether to stake his reputation upon this loose cog.

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Postby Vaucluse » Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:11 am

JR8 wrote:Attempting to shoot the messenger, was that your best shot?

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Why don't you quote FOX News as well . . . just to get another unbiased view of proceedings. :lol:

As fr your comment regarding Ueber-Liberal Sweden . . . I don't understand that part either - even if he were convicted he would have a lot of liberty in a Swedish jail.
I agree with SE's point that the women have the right to accuse/charge him but even you must admit that the timing is amazing.

As for the Oz government . . . not surprising, bunch of spineless cretins
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Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 28 Jun 2012 2:29 pm

Vaucluse wrote: but even you must admit that the timing is amazing.

I thought that at first too, but think about it. They came right after his 15 minutes of fame started, so it isn't unreasonable to suspect that a lot of groupies were spreading their legs left and right for him about that time.

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 28 Jun 2012 3:34 pm

What is Australia meant to have done for Assange, somehow stopped the EU legal process?

Sweden. Wouldn't be surprised if if convicted he is put in an open prison. I doubt they'll take computer access away from him, as that would likely breach his human rights.

p.s. I don't follow Fox news, never have. What unbiased news outlets do you follow?

If you want to find coincidences, conspiracy, or 'amazing timing', you always can, unsurprisingly trying to rely upon them carries little or no legal weight.

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'History is riddled with strange to bizarre coincidences. Here are the most strange similarities of our two favorite US Presidents of all time. This History shocker happened 100 years apart:

Two Presidents: Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy.

Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

Lincoln was elected US President in 1860.
Kennedy was elected US President in 1960

Both presidents were truly concerned with civil rights.
Both presidents lost their children while living in the White House.

It gets really weired:

Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy
Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln.

Both assassinated by Southerners
Both were succeeded by Southerners named...... Johnson.

Andrew Johnson who succeeded Lincoln was born in 1808
Lyndon Johnson who succeeded Kennedy was born in 1908.

Lincoln's assassin, John Wilkes Booth was born in 1839
Kennedy's assassin was born in 1939.

Both assassins were known by their three names, composed of 15 letters each.

Now hang on to your seat!

Lincoln was short in the head from behind at the Ford Theater and his assassin ran and hid in a warehouse.
Kennedy was shot in the head from behind in a Ford Lincoln car from a warehouse and his assassin ran and hid in a theater.

Both Presidents were accompanied by a couple.
Both male companions were injured

Both Presidents were pre-warned by their secretaries not to go out that day.
Both assassins, Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trial.

Here's the kicker:
A week before Lincoln was shot he was in Monroe, Maryland.
A week before Kennedy was shot he was with Marilyn Monroe.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 28 Jun 2012 4:47 pm

I'd like to have a buck for every chain mail letter I received with that in it over the past 5 decades!

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 28 Jun 2012 4:52 pm

Exactly. And yet I suppose there will always be some people who think it has currency.

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Postby Vaucluse » Thu, 28 Jun 2012 5:29 pm

zzm9980 wrote:
Vaucluse wrote: but even you must admit that the timing is amazing.

I thought that at first too, but think about it. They came right after his 15 minutes of fame started, so it isn't unreasonable to suspect that a lot of groupies were spreading their legs left and right for him about that time.


If you read the police documents you'll find that no allegations of rape ever come into it - the second woman, I believe, only said they'd had sex when being half asleep . . . the other bone of contention is that he allegedly ripped a condom before using it.

Really? This is what they are on about? This made Assange Interpol's second most wanted person for a while?

Nah, I don't subscribe to many non-mainstream theories about unexplained issues . . . but to call them all 'conspiracy-theories' takes away the potential veracity of some.

My source of news? Usually a mix of the SMH, BBC, Washington Post and FAZ

The Oz g'ment? Well, for a start they should have offered consular support from the start and the pollies shouldn't have publicly thrown him to the wolves, i.e. the US.
They have shown themselves to be lapdogs of the US, unfortunately . . . so that makes them the US' and mining companies' bitches
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Postby JR8 » Thu, 28 Jun 2012 6:04 pm

Vaucluse wrote:If you read the police documents you'll find that no allegations of rape ever come into it - the second woman, I believe, only said they'd had sex when being half asleep . . . the other bone of contention is that he allegedly ripped a condom before using it.
Really? This is what they are on about? This made Assange Interpol's second most wanted person for a while?

So you're saying that you caught this but all the UK courts he's been through, up to the Supreme Court, missed it? Wow.... you're quite the legal-beagle aren't you! :)


My source of news? Usually a mix of the SMH, BBC, Washington Post and FAZ

I bet you can't post/link anything from them that supports your dare I say rather hysterical position.


The Oz g'ment? Well, for a start they should have offered consular support from the start

I'm not sure what you expect from consular support. As I understand it (in such a case) they'd give you the number of a couple of local lawyers, and that's it. Are you expecting them to do more than that for him, and if so on what basis?
Ref: http://www.uk.embassy.gov.au/lhlh/130713071307.html

I reckon Assange is just terrified of facing justice for his alleged wrong-doing. I still don't understand why his home-team maintain that Sweden is a stepping stone to the US taking action. Whereas on the face of the reverse would seem to be the case. Still, when did Anti-Americanism need to be rooted in reality eh.

Time to put the foil hats on again.





Edit to add: I've just read that he's been served notice to report to police tomorrow morning. This does not mean police can enter the Ecuadorian embassy and pull him out (when he refuses to), so is presumably something procedural.

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Postby Vaucluse » Thu, 28 Jun 2012 8:58 pm

JR8 wrote:
Vaucluse wrote:If you read the police documents you'll find that no allegations of rape ever come into it - the second woman, I believe, only said they'd had sex when being half asleep . . . the other bone of contention is that he allegedly ripped a condom before using it.
Really? This is what they are on about? This made Assange Interpol's second most wanted person for a while?

So you're saying that you caught this but all the UK courts he's been through, up to the Supreme Court, missed it? Wow.... you're quite the legal-beagle aren't you! :)


Umm, why the aggro and why not just look it up yourself if you think I'm making it up - - - but if not then have a look at this -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/de ... nge-sweden
No, I'm not a legal beagle, don't need to be with all the facts laid bare - it has been common knowledge for a while now . . . you shouldn't let your bias cloud the facts


My source of news? Usually a mix of the SMH, BBC, Washington Post and FAZ

I bet you can't post/link anything from them that supports your dare I say rather hysterical position.


You lose the bet, like in your subway assertion on the guy being arrested because the other man was bleeding. You seem to be taking this personal, please don't. The rather hysterical position has been quoted above. Care to see it again?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/de ... nge-sweden

BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316 on the cancellation of the warrant based on rape

Here's the FAZ, outlining that the charge is having unprotected sex - nothing at all about rape http://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft ... 68329.html




The Oz g'ment? Well, for a start they should have offered consular support from the start

I'm not sure what you expect from consular support. As I understand it (in such a case) they'd give you the number of a couple of local lawyers, and that's it. Are you expecting them to do more than that for him, and if so on what basis?
Ref: http://www.uk.embassy.gov.au/lhlh/130713071307.html


You understand incorrectly. My father, uncle, grandfather, brother, sister-in-law were/are and I was a dip. There's a whole lot they can do . . . but they didn't, both on the consular and the embassy side. .

I reckon Assange is just terrified of facing justice for his alleged wrong-doing.

We agree . . . I would as well, were I stitched up like he seemingly was


I still don't understand why his home-team maintain that Sweden is a stepping stone to the US taking action.

Because Sweden has a treaty with the Us that enables it to circumvent normally lengthy extradition proceedings. There is a bilateral treaty between the US and Sweden that allows for extradition without consent from the UK or minimum tests. This is the temporary surrender/conditional release regime - automatic extradition on a loan basis. The UK does not have this treaty.

Whereas on the face of the reverse would seem to be the case. Still, when did Anti-Americanism need to be rooted in reality eh.

Again, perhaps if you would broaden your reading choices . . . and this has absolutely nothing to do with anti-Americanism, but that is the age-old apologist excuse trotted out whenever arguments have run out

Time to put the foil hats on again.
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Edit to add: I've just read that he's been served notice to report to police tomorrow morning. This does not mean police can enter the Ecuadorian embassy and pull him out (when he refuses to), so is presumably something procedural.


Please do have a read of the articles quoted. You will see that he is required for questioning for having unprotected sex, not rape.

I believe that one of the women initially accused him of rape but later on rescinded the accusation because she continued to sleep with him - correct me if I am wrong, please . . . and I may be but I'm too tired to do a lot of checking right now

Ah, and please don't start taking this personally and resort to 'tin-foil hats', 'hysterical position', 'legal beagle' throw-away lines . . . it hardly contributes to a debate . . . unless you are in no position to coherently discuss a topic
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Postby JR8 » Fri, 29 Jun 2012 3:29 am

Arguing the details and evidence of what he is accused of is irrelevant, that will be heard if and when he gets to Sweden. That is how the EAW works, the grounds for which have been tested in court and found valid in his case.

I really haven't the will to continue an in depth discussion (as with the discussion of the man being assaulted) on side issues that frankly are irrelevant. I think he is running away from justice, whilst you think he's at the centre of some global conspiracy.

There we go.

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Postby zzm9980 » Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:31 am

JR8 wrote:Here's the kicker:
A week before Lincoln was shot he was in Monroe, Maryland.
A week before Kennedy was shot he was with Marilyn Monroe.


I lol'd irl.

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Postby nutnut » Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:02 pm

One fact that simply cannot be disputed by either of you....

He's a poncy clown faced bawbag!

End of! :)
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 29 Jun 2012 1:43 pm

^^^ +10!

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 29 Jun 2012 6:38 pm

nutnut wrote:One fact that simply cannot be disputed by either of you....
He's a poncy clown faced bawbag!
End of! :)


Here is an update from this morning on this case.

(Nut2, I think you'll like the pic at the top of the article :))

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ender.html


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