Vaccination: Must DO or NOT DO ?

[jmvagabond]

Hi Everyone,

My wife is expecting our first baby in 2 months time and would like to get parent advise in regards to vaccination. We have heard terrible & sad stories of newborn or child being infected or developping side effects. Some got the disease even after being vaccinated.

Please help, so little information available.

Cheers,

[nakatago]

Yes. Vaccines work by infecting someone with a weakened form of a virus, thus triggering an immune response from the body. Since the virus is weakened, the body will surely recover, develop the antibodies and thus provide immunity.

Side effects can be due to allergies, ineffective vaccines or that simply diseases simply need periodic vaccinations.

If the side-effects you're referring to are related to autism, the paper was fraudulent (wikipedia link with references here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy) and the resulting media frenzy a hoax.

If you're really afraid of valid side-effects, get quality vaccines from reputable entities.

[poodlek]

Hi Everyone,

My wife is expecting our first baby in 2 months time and would like to get parent advise in regards to vaccination. We have heard terrible & sad stories of newborn or child being infected or developping side effects. Some got the disease even after being vaccinated.

Please help, so little information available.

Cheers,

Dr. Sears offers a pretty balanced view of vaccines, albeit with specific reference to the American schedule. Look for his "The Vaccine Book" to read up on the actual side effects of various vaccines, put into perspective with the likelihood/severity of the disease they are preventing. Not all vaccines are bad, but not all are 100% necessary.

For the Singaporean schedule they routinely give BCG (for tuberculosis) as well as a hepatitis jab at birth. I chose to wait on the hepatitis as it's not as easily transmitted, and often given only in the teenage years in other countries. I did get the BCG as I understand tuberculosis is reasonably common among domestic helpers from Indonesia and the Philippines, and although I do not employ a helper myself, I didn't want to have to be paranoid about every person I meet day to day.

If you want more information about your choices here in SG I recommend contacting Di Bustamente at http://www.parentlink.org

[QRM]

International school, ( may be local as well? ) requires your kids to be vaccinated before entry.

Ours had a shed load and fine she actually liked injections!

[malcontent]

I agree with the PP's, vaccinations are 99.99+% safe and you put yourself (and everyone else) at greater risk by not having it done. Especially the ones that have been around for many, many decades - tried and tested, no debate. The traces of mercury they used to have as a preservative have also been removed.

That said, you technically have the right to decline them and can do so. Only diphtheria and measles are required under Singapore law, and should you fail to do so - the only thing that will happen is you'll get two letters in the mail reminding you to do it, but you can ignore these, no other action is taken. I know this for a fact because they screwed up and didn't send my son's data across and I didn't bother correcting them because it had been done and I could prove it should the need arise. It's only when you want to enter formal schooling... that is when you'll either have to do it - or homeschool.

Reality is they are safe. If you're still not convinced, you can delay a year to make sure your child doesn't have autism or whatever you are worried about before you do it, or get measles separate from the MMR combo.

[freespirit22]

Here are some recent interview excerpts from experts in the U.S. I have been researching this as my daughter has autism.

2 April, 2012 WNYC
Radio Interview with Dr Walter Zahorodny (Assistant Professor of paediatrics at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey):
“Some small number of children probably do have autism because of an adverse vaccine reaction.”

[freespirit22]

you will find, that there has been minimal study into the cumulative effects of receiving many vaccines in the first few years of infancy. Most vaccine studies, are focused on only one type of vaccine.

My post above mentions mitochondrial dysfunction. So how to know if your child is in the át risk'category?

If anyone in your extended family has a history of asthma, eczma, food or other allergies, or auto immune issues, be very careful about bombarding your baby with lots of vaccines in their first few years.

Take your time, do your research on individual vaccines & give single doses rather than combinations.

The ridiculous thing is that measles is not available as a single dose, even though kids only need one shot of mumps and rubella to get immunity. We hit them with uncessary 2nd, and sometimes 3rd doses, just because it's the only way to get the measles shot. This does not make sense.

It may be a small proportion of kids that have a bad reaction, but during my journey into autism, I have met a hell of lot of people who report their kids getting sick the day after vaccinations. Be responsible, do your research, and dont blindly inject your baby with vaccines and their accompanying preservatives (eg formaldyhyde, aluminium), just because your doctor tells you to.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Do some searches on here with regard to vaccinations. It's been discussed in depth. - moderator

[sundaymorningstaple]

Do some searches on here with regard to vaccinations. It's been discussed in depth. - moderator

Latest update from Queensland Aus:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/- ... mp=twitter

Just an update on the deaths of non-vaccinated children in Queensland, Aus to revitalize this thread for anybody contemplating putting other children at risk by not vaccinating you child and putting them in a public school setting.

[katbh]

GET YOUR CHILD VACCINATED. Do you want them to get TB or Polio or measles - they are fatal diseases prevented by a needle. You will also be potentially saving other peoples children from your own.

The more children that do not get vaccinated - the more disease. People were safe when theirs was the ONLY child not vaccinated. This is no longer the case.

[alufolie]

I agree wholeheardtly with Katbh.
In Australia considerably more children not vaccinated die than children that are. (I believe it's on the rise too) Our daycare centre in Sydney do not allow children that haven't been vaccinated and will suspend a child if they are not up to date with their vaccinations.

I was worried about the reaction with my little one, but I spaced them out over 2-3 weeks in singular doses when she was a baby which worked for us and didn't knock her around so much.

[sundaymorningstaple]

alufolie & katbh,

Thanks for the support. We've had a number of people on here over the years with the misconception that they are doing something right & noble, not realizing that Immunizations do not prevent someone from getting the disease but just builds up the resistance to the disease (the immunizations are actually neutralized versions of the actual disease - hence the minor reactions sometimes at the time of immunization). The sad reality is that people who don't vaccinate think that because all the other kids are vaccinated that their child won't get it. You can still get sick it's just vaccinated ones will live and have milder symptoms. Whereas the unvaccinated have a hard time and can die. People who choose not to vaccinate their children because they've been reading the 'tin foil hat wearers' online, shouldn't be allowed to have their children out in public. Don't want to vaccinate, keep them at home, and away from society. They shouldn't be allowed to have them at schools as that puts everyone in danger, particularly those children who, for medical reasons, can't be vaccinated.

[katbh]

^+1. I have a few (a lot) of children of my own. They have all be vaccinated against everything that was possible at the time. The only disease they were not vaccinated against was Chicken Pox and that was in the days when you could not do so. My younger ones were vaccinated against chicken pox BECAUSE I got chicken pox as an adult and my unborn baby therefore got chicken pox. She was born, luckily, without nerve damage but has now had full blown chicken pox 3 - 5 times and also gets shingles very badly. If you have seen shingles and know anyone with it -you will know that it is very very painful. And...you have to go into isolation as you are very infectious - especially to older people. She can not get immunised against it now (and could not when she was born).
So if there was immunisation, then we would not have had this worry and the pain for my child - which she will have every time she gets run down or comes into contact with someone with chicken pox who has not been immunised.
GET IMMUNISED!

[sundaymorningstaple]

+1 ^^

katbh, my Mom was one who caught chicken pox back in the days when they deliberately put kids with other kids in order to get it and get it over with. Unfortunately, my Mom was one who never developed the full blown disease hence it lay in wait in her nervous system for 60 years. I had to actually return to the US for a month to take care of her as she got shingles so bad that her doctor told her in his 50 years of practice he'd never seen such a violent case of Shingles. Her entire body from her waist to her feet was affected as was her bodily functions and she was a mess (she actually had three "types or styles" of Shingles at the same time). She still has a lot of nerve damage and still has problems with some bodily functions that tend to make her incontinent and this is something like 15 years later. Said she's never felt any pain like it in her life. Said my sister's birth was a skate in the park by comparison. (10 lb baby)

[BedokAmerican]

Hi Everyone,

My wife is expecting our first baby in 2 months time and would like to get parent advise in regards to vaccination. We have heard terrible & sad stories of newborn or child being infected or developping side effects. Some got the disease even after being vaccinated.

Please help, so little information available.

Cheers,

Your message says you've "heard" stories. Where did you hear these "terrible and sad" stories? Were they from people you've actually known? Or were these stories posted by people on internet forums or by people trying to get attention by using the media to spread the anti-vaccine movement? Huge difference.

As far as getting a disease after vaccination, where did you hear this and which disease? The only time I'm aware of this can happen is with the flu vaccine. It's because the flu shot takes 2-3 weeks to get into your system and take effect. Therefore, if someone gets the flu shot and then gets the flu 1 week later, they were going to get the flu anyway (because they waited too long to get the vaccine) so the flu in this case wasn't actually caused by the vaccine.

My child gets all his shots when they're due and he's had no adverse reaction other than crying for a minute or two after the needle stick. Talk to your doctor. He or she will help differentiate rumor from fact. You might also want to ask about the differentiation between live vs dead/killed/inactivated vaccines if concerned about that.