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Apply E-Pass after short life of S-Pass?

Post by kevindinh » Wed, 06 Jun 2012 1:38 pm

Hi all,

My case is quite abnormal. I studied to get Degree here for 2 years in private school with Certificate from UK, after that I left home for 2 months. Then, I applied for job and got a job with $2.8K/month and S-Pass since beginning of this February.

I stayed there for 2 months but that company restructure (I was one of survivals) but I think I should not stay there for any longer. I decided to leave.

I got a new job with offer $3K/month, I told company apply E-P for me. They applied but MOM only issued me S-Pass again.

I was so disappointed, is there any reason that I can not apply for E-P?

I'm working in this company from beginning of April till now, totally my working time in Singapore is 4 months.

I would like to reapply for E-P again. Is this suitable time for me to re-apply or I have to wait for some time?

Thank you very much

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Post by beppi » Wed, 06 Jun 2012 3:50 pm

Trying again will only work if your circumstances have sufficiently changed in ways that affect MoM's decision.
Just saying "Please, look at it again" will not get any different result - MoM's decision is final.

(In addition: Only your employer can apply or appeal, not you!)

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Post by kevindinh » Wed, 06 Jun 2012 4:00 pm

beppi wrote:Trying again will only work if your circumstances have sufficiently changed in ways that affect MoM's decision.
Just saying "Please, look at it again" will not get any different result - MoM's decision is final.

(In addition: Only your employer can apply or appeal, not you!)
What sufficient :o? Do I change company so fast or I change my salary so fast? I have to wait for at least 6 months or maybe longer to change company or salary :? ?

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Post by beppi » Wed, 06 Jun 2012 4:44 pm

It depends on the reason for your rejection (which MoM doesn't tell you, so you can only guess).
- If the reason is lack of academic credentials, getting a degree would help.
- If the reason is lack of work experience, trying again after some time of working would help (6 months makes not much difference!).
- If the reason is low salary, getting a higher one would help.
There are also other criteria you cannot change, like your ethnicity, foreigner ratio in your company, how many locals are there with your skillset, etc.
MoM doesn't like job-hoppers, so changing after less than a year (better two) will decrease your chances and you run the risk of having to leave Singapore if rejected.

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Post by kevindinh » Wed, 06 Jun 2012 5:05 pm

Thanks for your answer.

I am not a job hopper, I am quite loyalty. As I mention above, because the previous company was restructure, it stopped working with a whole department, so, there's only 5 people there (after I left, only 4), 2 Singaporeans, 3 foreigners, I was in another department, but I was afraid that my day would come base on what happened there, so I decided to leave.

I have Bachelor certificate, I had 5+ years experience in my jobs, I only has few months working experience in Singapore, my salary is 3K, enough to get E-P base on new E-P policy.

My current company has full of Singaporean, only IT dept has a few foreigners of which I am one.

I have checked a lot of reasons why I cannot get E-P, even HR staff is surprising as well, because according what they said, I am the first S-P in the company. My company is a big and well-known company in Singapore, so, I think there is no sufficient of part of company.

I am so upset and confused about this?

I am trying to find a solution but it seems like there is no solution for me.

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Post by beppi » Wed, 06 Jun 2012 5:53 pm

From MoM's website:
Q1 Employment Pass
•Young graduates from good institutions could qualify if they earn at least $3,000
•Older applicants would have to command higher salaries to qualify, commensurate with the work experience and quality they are expected to bring
Your salary is too low to qualify.

An S-Pass allows you to continue stay and work in Singapore, so what's the big deal?

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Post by the lynx » Wed, 06 Jun 2012 9:42 pm

You are lucky that you managed to get hired within a short span of time. Appreciate that, buddy.

And oh, what's the difference anyway? The pay is more important than the type of pass.

You are still able to apply for credit card.
You are still required to pay exorbitant fees for library memberships regardless of type of pass.
No one can tell if you are EP holder or SPass holder from your FIN unless you tell them.
You still can marry a PR or Singaporean citizen without going through MOM for permission.
Club memberships are still limiting to your pay, not your type of pass.

Hmm what else?

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 06 Jun 2012 10:38 pm

And probably, more than any other, it the fact that even though you qualify for a Q pass or even a P2 pass, the MOM are not required to give you one. The MOM may well have a reason for only issuing an S pass. In fact, one reason that I have heard about is family structure. e.g., if we give a higher pass what kind of baggage is the person going to try to bring in. Whereas with the S pass, it's limited to bringing in the spouse only. MOM is pretty smart if you think about it. Damn site smarter than the majority of applicants I can tell you that.
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Post by kevindinh » Thu, 07 Jun 2012 9:28 am

Thanks all you guys who cared about my post.

In the beginning, I am not concern much about the Pass until I found out that S-P is not able to self-sponsor for Dependant Pass, only E-P can. I want to bring my wife here, but my company is not willing to sponsor for my DP (I think there's no company willing to do this). That is my concern, not payment or credit card or membership something, those are later on.

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Post by the lynx » Thu, 07 Jun 2012 9:43 am

kevindinh wrote:Thanks all you guys who cared about my post.

In the beginning, I am not concern much about the Pass until I found out that S-P is not able to self-sponsor for Dependant Pass, only E-P can. I want to bring my wife here, but my company is not willing to sponsor for my DP (I think there's no company willing to do this). That is my concern, not payment or credit card or membership something, those are later on.
Ah, why don't you say so earlier? Yup, this is the part where EP makes a distinction from SPass. I guess the only recourse here is to work hard and hope to earn more to break far from that salary barrier.

Just a side question but I find it related to MOM's decision-making pattern, if you don't mind: What is your nationality and ethnicity?

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Post by kevindinh » Thu, 07 Jun 2012 9:57 am

the lynx wrote:
Ah, why don't you say so earlier? Yup, this is the part where EP makes a distinction from SPass. I guess the only recourse here is to work hard and hope to earn more to break far from that salary barrier.

Just a side question but I find it related to MOM's decision-making pattern, if you don't mind: What is your nationality and ethnicity?
Me and my wife are from Vietnam. She's got 7 years experience in sales and marketing, i told you this because I want you all to know that she's not just a young girl who want to be here for shopping or going around.

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