PR questions – you thoughts.

[MrBear]

Myself and my wife are in the process of adding our first child to our family. We came to Singapore from Hong Kong in May 2010 and I was on EP for first year then switched to PEP. I'm now thinking I would like to start the process for applying to go PR as I would like to confirm this as my home and bring up my child here.

Me – 35, Irish, working in IT for 19 years, now a multi functional role same company 7 years, education 8 GCSE wage 8k PM married 6 years
Wife – 34, Filipino, not working, diploma in business.

I'm a bit worried that my lack of qualifications might have a down side to my application but I'm hoping the experience might help with that.

Do you guy & girls think that we would stand a chance of getting approved or are we better waiting until after the birth and applying then as a whole family or does that even make a difference?

Thanks

MrB

[Mi Amigo]

In theory the qualification issue will have an impact, but it's hard to be sure to what extent. In my case for example I have an HND (diploma), not a degree, but it didn't seem to adversely affect my PEP or PR applications. Experience, skills, salary, etc. will also obviously be important factors. Basically you need to put yourself in the ICA's position if/when you apply for PR, consider what it is that you are offering to Singapore as a permanent resident, and tailor your application accordingly.

As you have been here 2 years you could put in an application now and see what happens, but waiting until your baby arrives would potentially give you more to go with. When you say you are "in the process of adding our first child" (I've not seen it described that way before ), does that mean your wife is already pregnant? If so, do you know whether it's a boy or girl? I assume you're familiar with the whole NS situation for second generation male PRs? A bouncing baby boy ready for NS in due course would potentially improve your chances.

[MrBear]

Mi Amigo,

Thanks for the reply, 'We' are into our 14th week now not sure if it will be a boy or Girl and to be honest I for one think the NS would be something I would want my child to do if he grows up here.

Also do you think a covering letter would help the process or not be read?

Tnx

[JR8]

I would want my child...

... And I thought I was the only person left in the world who doesn't use the vulgarity that is 'kid'.

[Mi Amigo]

Mr Bear,

Sorry, I tweaked my post above a bit after re-reading your first message, then I realised you'd already replied.

As regards a covering letter, etc., I would imagine that every document submitted is carefully read and (where appropriate) checked for accuracy / authenticity. I can only give you my experience, which was of course just one of many thousands of applications. For my (and my family's) PR application (submitted in June last year), I spent a fair amount of time getting letters of recommendation, adding an updated CV, etc. I also included a covering letter that briefly explained my background, achievements here to date and the reasons why I wanted to obtain permanent residence here. We later followed up with more documentation for my wife (who doesn't have a paid job), detailing her cultural contributions to Singapore. Eventually we - the whole family, including our two daughters - were all granted PR.

So my personal conclusion from this was that the effort spent on the application was well worth it. If I had just filled in the form and supplied the minimum required documentation, maybe I would still have been successful - hard to know, but I doubt the additional material could have done any harm to my chances.

Good luck for your family expansion and PR application, whenever you decide to do that.

[Mi Amigo]

I would want my child...

... And I thought I was the only person left in the world who doesn't use the vulgarity that is 'kid'.

^^^^ +1

[Mad Scientist]

OP, you should be fine. You never tried, you never know.

Education is important but you have been here for a wee while with that pay scale, right ?

I got my degree on my 30th birthday and the second one on my 55th birthday !!. Do not put off by lack of education but strive to improve it is the key

[MrBear]

Dear all,

Thanks for your words of advice. Today I booked my appointment to submit all the documentation, End of Aug was first free date.

I'm now going to get a few professional recommendation and some personal ones. then write my cover letter and cross my fingers, pray to God, Allah, Buddha and 'The Dude'

Wish us luck

[MrBear]

Hi all,

Thought I'd give a brief update, forms all submitted yesterday.

I was really surprised with the amount of people there from the subcontinent at a guess I'd say 80 - 90% of people there.

Had one strange question, my wife being from peens put Asian as race and was told to correct it to philly. thinking back on it now we should have put Eurasian as she it mixed but guess that's to late to change now.

I'm now in the system as Pending and going to try and forget about it and check back after the birth which is in about 2 months. Oh while I think about that we asked what to do if baby comes before answer and was told to wait and apply later as it will be classed as a new submission and will take xx months again.

[Mi Amigo]

Good luck for the application and the family expansion, and do keep us updated here as all information is potentially helpful to others.

BTW, regarding the ethnic mix at the ICA, that matches my experience back in June last year. In the current climate one has to wonder about the success rate for those from the subcontinent, but I guess many are applying on the basis of 'nothing ventured, nothing gained'.

[MrBear]

Dear all,

I thought I would come back and give you an update as this week i finally heard back from the ICA.

Dear Mr & Mrs xxxxx

Thanks for spending a few hours filling paper work, don't bother doing it again.

ICA

I'm summarizing a bit, but application rejected no offer to apply again.

I guess i will have to see if sentiment has changed when my PEP expires.

Thank you all for your replies when i was doing the submissions, i hope this thread helps other some how.

MrB

[offshoreoildude]

Dear all,

I thought I would come back and give you an update as this week i finally heard back from the ICA.

Dear Mr & Mrs xxxxx

Thanks for spending a few hours filling paper work, don't bother doing it again.

ICA

I'm summarizing a bit, but application rejected no offer to apply again.

I guess i will have to see if sentiment has changed when my PEP expires.

Thank you all for your replies when i was doing the submissions, i hope this thread helps other some how.

MrB

Sorry to hear that. The category quote for 'other' races does seem to be a bit tighter these days and with no ties...

[zzm9980]

Dear all,

I thought I would come back and give you an update as this week i finally heard back from the ICA.

Dear Mr & Mrs xxxxx

Thanks for spending a few hours filling paper work, don't bother doing it again.

ICA

I'm summarizing a bit, but application rejected no offer to apply again.

I guess i will have to see if sentiment has changed when my PEP expires.

Thank you all for your replies when i was doing the submissions, i hope this thread helps other some how.

MrB

Did they either tell you to apply again later, or that you're 'welcome to remaining in Singapore and work'? Or neither of those phrases?

[MrBear]

welcome to remaining in Singapore and work'?

this is all i got. trying hard not to be bit upset by it but with he way things are nowadays its to be expected i guess.

[offshoreoildude]

welcome to remaining in Singapore and work'?

this is all i got. trying hard not to be bit upset by it but with he way things are nowadays its to be expected i guess.

Let it go and look for greener pastures.