EP Problem

[a_Biker]

Hi All,

I have gone through almost all the posts of EP rejection and unable to find any problem similar to mine...

My Details :
Education : Master from London, UK (Listed UNI with MOM Full time degree)
Experience : 2.1 Years of Exp
Salary Offered : 4K SG$ per month and 8K bonus an year

I got a job with one of the Singapore company, above are all my details,

The First time I applied My EP got rejected, I am not sure why but my employer said my Graduation degree was missing(Yes it was from my side).

I did not had my degree with at that time, so applied for the same and took a temp degree from uni until my Original degree arrives.

Employer reapplied with the letter and again got rejected....

Finally we awaited my Graduation degree and then applied, this time while applying by mistake the birth date was wrong in the online application.

Then status came as Invalid...

Then Again it was re-applied for the fourth time.....And it was rejected as employer did not pay levy for one of there employee who left them.....

Now the payment has been done and new application has been done....for the fifth time..

Awaiting the result by coming monday....

I think I am eligible as per the mom but still so many rejection....

What do you think is my less experience a problem ???

As I have seen in so many forums posts MOM do not give any reason....but my employer had a reason every time the EP was rejected..

So do stand a chance this time ???

I am totally confused now....Please help me understand this guys..

I am thankful to the employer as they are very supportive through all this process.....Keeping my fingers crossed till coming mon/tues as expected the answer of last application by then !!!!

[Mi Amigo]

Here's my take on your situation. Please don't be offended by anything below; I'm just trying to put myself in the position of the people at MOM during the process you have described.

When dealing with the Singapore authorities, attention to detail is all-important. The fact that a number of basic mistakes were made at various times (omitting important documents, incorrectly stating date of birth, etc.) will not have been well received by MOM. It may have triggerred some alarms that could negatively affect any future applications.

You say you have 2.1 years of experience. That is a relatively low number and may also be a factor in the rejections up to now. Keep in mind that there are a large number of Singaporean candidates (with high level educational qualifications) and a lot of pressure on employers to hire locals over foreigners these days. You say that you've read most of the posts here about EP rejection; therefore you will be well aware that the proportion of successful EP applications has significantly reduced in recent times.

One important point that many people in your situation fail to appreciate is although you may be 'eligible' (for your prospective employer) to apply for an EP, that does not mean you are entitled to one. The decision is 100% in the hands of MOM and they have their own criteria, details of which we can only try to guess. From all the emoticons you have used, you seem to be genuinely surprised at the rejections up to now, but if you look at it from the MOM perspective you shouldn't be surprised at all.

Clarity in communication is vital. So what do you actually mean by this: "What do you think is my less experience a problem ???" I'm not trying to be over-critical, but for someone with a 'Master' from a UK university, that does not display a knowledge of English that one would expect to see. If similar examples of incomprehensible 'English' were included in your application documents, that again would probably count against you.

If you are lucky, MOM will take the view that all the previous problems were solely the fault of the employer (who frankly appears to have been far from diligent in their actions), and possibly they may approve the application this time. But if that does happen, frankly speaking I think you will have been very lucky indeed. If MOM again reject the application, I'd say it's time to give up on this and look elsewhere (possibly outside of Singapore). Either way, there is nothing you can do at this point apart from await the outcome.

[a_Biker]

Here's my take on your situation. Please don't be offended by anything below; I'm just trying to put myself in the position of the people at MOM during the process you have described.

When dealing with the Singapore authorities, attention to detail is all-important. The fact that a number of basic mistakes were made at various times (omitting important documents, incorrectly stating date of birth, etc.) will not have been well received by MOM. It may have triggerred some alarms that could negatively affect any future applications.

You say you have 2.1 years of experience. That is a relatively low number and may also be a factor in the rejections up to now. Keep in mind that there are a large number of Singaporean candidates (with high level educational qualifications) and a lot of pressure on employers to hire locals over foreigners these days. You say that you've read most of the posts here about EP rejection; therefore you will be well aware that the proportion of successful EP applications has significantly reduced in recent times.

One important point that many people in your situation fail to appreciate is although you may be 'eligible' (for your prospective employer) to apply for an EP, that does not mean you are entitled to one. The decision is 100% in the hands of MOM and they have their own criteria, details of which we can only try to guess. From all the emoticons you have used, you seem to be genuinely surprised at the rejections up to now, but if you look at it from the MOM perspective you shouldn't be surprised at all.

Clarity in communication is vital. So what do you actually mean by this: "What do you think is my less experience a problem ???" I'm not trying to be over-critical, but for someone with a 'Master' from a UK university, that does not display a knowledge of English that one would expect to see. If similar examples of incomprehensible 'English' were included in your application documents, that again would probably count against you.

If you are lucky, MOM will take the view that all the previous problems were solely the fault of the employer (who frankly appears to have been far from diligent in their actions), and possibly they may approve the application this time. But if that does happen, frankly speaking I think you will have been very lucky indeed. If MOM again reject the application, I'd say it's time to give up on this and look elsewhere (possibly outside of Singapore). Either way, there is nothing you can do at this point apart from await the outcome.

Hey Amigo,

Please forgive me for my bad English, I am not a native speaker / writer in English language and trying to learn everyday from you guys

Many thanks for the reply, I do understand need to wait till i get some output, and I am not at all surprised by the rejections of the MOM, as already there where some mistakes in the application.

I have only provided the required documents to the employer and they have applied for the EP. I do have less experience but the platform on which I work is very new and as per my discussion with the employer they were unable to find locals for the work as they have tried almost for 60 days before extending me an offer.

I hope this will be a place which may be a plus point in my application.

I will wait till Mon / Tues and update here the status of my application.

I do have one more offer with me, I am more keen about this offer as it will help me show some international experience on my CV after UK and also little bit financially.

I don't know the application process.

But if the employer is successful in showing they are unable to find a local for this job..

Do I stand a chance of getting the approval ?

Again please forgive me for my English I am still in process of learning

[sundaymorningstaple]

Just because the employer is not able to find one locally, doesn't mean that there aren't any. The employer might be very low on his remuneration package, for instance. If the MOM doesn't believe there is a problem, then they employer might be out of luck unless he ups the ante a bit. I don't know. Are the skillsets transferable from another segment with a little training?

Or, it might be just that they need to fire some of their HR people and spend some money there to hire someone with some accuracy. HR is an area usually shortchanged in Singapore as it's generally viewed only as a cost centre.

The Employer is going to probably have to make a trip to MOM to get it sorted (even then there is no guarantee - especially if the cock-ups are the employers fault.

[a_Biker]

Thank you very much SMS...

Will wait for the outcome now....if it is rejected this time(As this time all the documents are in order) they are going to appeal and tell MOM they are finding difficulty to hire a local for this work..

This will be the last time they will try for my EP.

let's see how it goes...I am positive, but as I have read there are lot of rejection recently, I am neutral about the outcome and will take it the way it comes

Will update the thread once the status is changes

Many Thanks

[a_Biker]

Hello,

Just an update my application was rejected 4 times because of documents problem and application errors. It took only 2 to max 3 days to come back with an reason and rejection status.

Now the last application was made a week ago with all right documents, There is no update yet.....

Will keep this thread updated thanks.

[Mi Amigo]

Well we can't fault you for persistence; you'll just have to hope that the ICA weren't too irritated by all the previous mistakes. Do let us know how it turns out, as that information will be useful for other folks in the future.

[a_Biker]

Hi Guys,

After wait of almost 3 weeks my EP has been approved......So many mistakes, So many applications, and after 5 application I got the result as approved

Took a little longer for the last time......

[Mi Amigo]

Congratulations. As I implied above, you have indeed been very lucky.