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PR Criteria changed in May 2012? - No Income tax statements?

Postby FaeLLe » Sun, 06 May 2012 2:29 pm

Hello all,

I came across an interesting observation today.

Upon going through the Documents Required for PR application section on the ICA website I took a look at the document Accompanying Notes to Form EP4.

It looks like the Accompanying Notes no longer mentions the requirement for past two years Income Tax statement to be submitted anymore when applying for PR?

The PDF document also indicates that this document has been updated in May 2012.

Has this criteria been changed recently?

http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151#documents

http://www.ica.gov.sg/data/resources/do ... 0(May%2012)_final.pdf

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Re: PR Criteria changed in May 2012? - No Income tax stateme

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 06 May 2012 4:21 pm

FaeLLe wrote:Hello all,

I came across an interesting observation today.

Upon going through the Documents Required for PR application section on the ICA website I took a look at the document Accompanying Notes to Form EP4.

It looks like the Accompanying Notes no longer mentions the requirement for past two years Income Tax statement to be submitted anymore when applying for PR?

The PDF document also indicates that this document has been updated in May 2012.

Has this criteria been changed recently?

http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151#documents

http://www.ica.gov.sg/data/resources/do ... 0(May%2012)_final.pdf


Yep, it been removed and the addition of this will explain what I've already said here. They have your FIN so can contact IRAS to verify you Tax assessments without needing you to submit them. One more confirmation of what I've been saying for a long time about all the major databases of the government being links now for ICA purposes.

7. Please complete Appendix - 1 (PR-PTS) to give your consent for ICA to obtain and verify financial information provided in respect of the permanent residence application with the Inland Revenue Authority of Singapore.

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Re: PR Criteria changed in May 2012? - No Income tax stateme

Postby FaeLLe » Sun, 06 May 2012 4:25 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
FaeLLe wrote:Hello all,

I came across an interesting observation today.

Upon going through the Documents Required for PR application section on the ICA website I took a look at the document Accompanying Notes to Form EP4.

It looks like the Accompanying Notes no longer mentions the requirement for past two years Income Tax statement to be submitted anymore when applying for PR?

The PDF document also indicates that this document has been updated in May 2012.

Has this criteria been changed recently?

http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151#documents

http://www.ica.gov.sg/data/resources/do ... 0(May%2012)_final.pdf


Yep, it been removed and the addition of this will explain what I've already said here. They have your FIN so can contact IRAS to verify you Tax assessments without needing you to submit them. One more confirmation of what I've been saying for a long time about all the major databases of the government being links now for ICA purposes.

7. Please complete Appendix - 1 (PR-PTS) to give your consent for ICA to obtain and verify financial information provided in respect of the permanent residence application with the Inland Revenue Authority of Singapore.


Hello SMS,

What would you say though about including IR8A / IR8E along with the application form and other documents?

Is it better to provide additional documentation like this and other documents like property held papers along with entire application to establish ties to Singapore?

Or is it better to just stick to what has been asked for.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 06 May 2012 5:50 pm

Papers for Properties here, just like Income taxes are already accounted for by IRAS. Your property taxes are collected via IRAS so they have all that information already at hand. Generally, they ask for what they want/need and only if they find themselves sitting on the fence, would they ask for additional information as they do now and then.

I doubt if you would be penalized if you did include them with the application though so go ahead an include them if you want. The only way I could see it hurting is if the officer who looks at the application had been cut off and had a royal case of the arse and says "this fool doesn't seem to be able to follow directions...... kiddin' lah! :wink:

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Postby revhappy » Sun, 06 May 2012 6:14 pm

Good observation there , Faelle!

But have you noticed, now they are asking for household census list or family register, wonder what it is :???:

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Postby carteki » Sun, 06 May 2012 6:57 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Papers for Properties here, just like Income taxes are already accounted for by IRAS. Your property taxes are collected via IRAS so they have all that information already at hand. Generally, they ask for what they want/need and only if they find themselves sitting on the fence, would they ask for additional information as they do now and then.

I doubt if you would be penalized if you did include them with the application though so go ahead an include them if you want. The only way I could see it hurting is if the officer who looks at the application had been cut off and had a royal case of the arse and says "this fool doesn't seem to be able to follow directions...... kiddin' lah! :wink:


I disagree. Given the box-ticking mentality that is the norm here I would give them all possible information to show your commitment to Singapore which definitely includes ownership of property. Unless we are certain that the box for owning property exists - give them the information. It cannot hurt (except in the very weird situation above)

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Postby zzm9980 » Sun, 06 May 2012 9:00 pm

revhappy wrote:Good observation there , Faelle!

But have you noticed, now they are asking for household census list or family register, wonder what it is :???:


A lot of countries have documents that show who is a member of your immediate family. I know Vietnam and China have these, I assume a lot of other countries also do. This is probably a good way for them to make sure you're not accidentally forgetting include any sons ;)

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Postby FaeLLe » Sun, 06 May 2012 9:21 pm

revhappy wrote:Good observation there , Faelle!

But have you noticed, now they are asking for household census list or family register, wonder what it is :???:


That should only be required if you dont have a birth certificate which seems to be what it is listed with.

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Postby randomrockz » Thu, 10 May 2012 9:30 pm

I submitted my PR application today along with Annexure I. The officer refused to take my Tax filing docs and mentioned that I have already approved ICA to get tax records from IRAS by submitting Annexure I.
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Postby FaeLLe » Thu, 10 May 2012 9:44 pm

randomrockz wrote:I submitted my PR application today along with Annexure I. The officer refused to take my Tax filing docs and mentioned that I have already approved ICA to get tax records from IRAS by submitting Annexure I.


That is a very interesting input randomrockz.
Thanks for sharing.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 11 May 2012 12:11 am

As I said, all the databases are now interconnected. ICA has access to Tax Records, Birth & Health records, MOM records and MHA records (Police). Once you have submitted the application you have open up your can of worm for them to inspect as they see fit.

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Postby dimpase » Thu, 25 Oct 2012 3:17 pm

zzm9980 wrote:
revhappy wrote:Good observation there , Faelle!

But have you noticed, now they are asking for household census list or family register, wonder what it is :???:


A lot of countries have documents that show who is a member of your immediate family. I know Vietnam and China have these, I assume a lot of other countries also do. This is probably a good way for them to make sure you're not accidentally forgetting include any sons ;)


I wonder if Singapore has these docs. We're applying for PR for our child (we are PRs ourselves), and see this request for a document we never heard about (the child was born in Singapore, we got married in Singapore).

Can we just ignore it?
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 25 Oct 2012 3:30 pm

It could also be used to show the gahmen the potential collateral damage with extended family that might occur if PR was given. Just sayin'.....

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Postby Mi Amigo » Thu, 25 Oct 2012 4:17 pm

dimpase wrote:I wonder if Singapore has these docs. We're applying for PR for our child (we are PRs ourselves), and see this request for a document we never heard about (the child was born in Singapore, we got married in Singapore).

Can we just ignore it?
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I don't think it is a good idea to ignore a request for a document that has been specifically requested. The ICA folks are sticklers for detail - to give you an for example, they pointed out that I hadn't completed the form correctly because I had omitted to tick the boxes to indicate that my mother is female and my father is male :o. So if you fail to turn in a document that's on their list they will almost certainly call you out on that. My suggestion is that you phone the ICA helpline and ask for clarification as to what they actually need. In my experience they were very helpful when I phoned in.
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Postby dimpase » Fri, 26 Oct 2012 3:03 pm

Mi Amigo wrote:
dimpase wrote:I wonder if Singapore has these docs. We're applying for PR for our child (we are PRs ourselves), and see this request for a document we never heard about (the child was born in Singapore, we got married in Singapore).

Can we just ignore it?
Thanks,
Dmitrii

I don't think it is a good idea to ignore a request for a document that has been specifically requested. The ICA folks are sticklers for detail...
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Well, on the other hand they produce contradictory instructions left and right. E.g. a letter handed over to me at ICA when I was getting the child's birth certificate said that I can just go to the 5th floor of ICA building and apply for the child's PR. The ICA website says, however, that an e-appointment must be made in advance. Etc etc... Our HR has no idea what a House Census would be for someone residing in Singapore, and they almost always know what they are talking about. Typical local motto, it seems: "let's create so many rules that we always have something to bend"...


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