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Postby taxico » Fri, 11 May 2012 12:52 am

apparently non-chinese eligible flats have lower COVs:

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/02/rac ... g-a-farce/

and since, only the first part of a double-barreled race (chinese-indian = chinese) will be taken into consideration by HDB when it comes to your quota...

thus this classification means having the right order MIGHT help your child get a flat more easily. or could it...??

beppi is right - you can pick and choose whichever person's race as the main applicant (for better chances of getting a flat). but when it's time to sell, it could be a pain... (isn't it always about buying and selling for singaporeans?)

...so you have to go through some extra hurdles to re-classify your ethnic group... in order to be able to buy/sell the flat to the chinese.

this re-classification is at HDB's discretion. and you know what that means. it might have to do with whether or not the quota's "filled"...??

say WHAAAT? my wife and i have never got a flat at a place we wanted.

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Postby nakatago » Fri, 11 May 2012 10:31 am

taxico wrote:apparently non-chinese eligible flats have lower COVs:

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/02/rac ... g-a-farce/

and since, only the first part of a double-barreled race (chinese-indian = chinese) will be taken into consideration by HDB when it comes to your quota...

thus this classification means having the right order MIGHT help your child get a flat more easily. or could it...??

beppi is right - you can pick and choose whichever person's race as the main applicant (for better chances of getting a flat). but when it's time to sell, it could be a pain... (isn't it always about buying and selling for singaporeans?)

...so you have to go through some extra hurdles to re-classify your ethnic group... in order to be able to buy/sell the flat to the chinese.

this re-classification is at HDB's discretion. and you know what that means. it might have to do with whether or not the quota's "filled"...??

say WHAAAT? my wife and i have never got a flat at a place we wanted.


I stopped reading because it got awkward when the author fruitlessly and probably frustratedly trying to make sense of the stupid execution of a policy.

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Postby taxico » Fri, 11 May 2012 3:00 pm

from http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/02/rac ... g-a-farce/

[quote]...A few years ago, Tay Jin En was browsing for flats in a particular district that had reached the Chinese quota. Based on information from her housing agent, she recalls that “Malays [were] selling at valuation price because they could only sell to other Malays”

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Postby Splatted » Tue, 22 May 2012 2:56 am

[quote="taxico"]from http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/02/rac ... g-a-farce/

[quote]...A few years ago, Tay Jin En was browsing for flats in a particular district that had reached the Chinese quota. Based on information from her housing agent, she recalls that “Malays [were] selling at valuation price because they could only sell to other Malays”

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Postby offshoreoildude » Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:02 pm

IF asked for my race (i.e. for a new NRIC) I always ask for 'white'. When they confusingly respond it's not available I ask for 'Ang Moh', when that doesn't turn up I ask for 'Matt Salleh', when that doesn't turn up they offer 'Caucasian' but I explain that I am certain my line does not come from the Caucus region of Russia.

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:23 pm

offshoreoildude wrote:IF asked for my race (i.e. for a new NRIC) I always ask for 'white'. When they confusingly respond it's not available I ask for 'Ang Moh', when that doesn't turn up I ask for 'Matt Salleh', when that doesn't turn up they offer 'Caucasian' but I explain that I am certain my line does not come from the Caucus region of Russia.


You sound confused to me. That Indians are Caucasians will probably confuse you further I expect.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:42 pm

offshoreoildude wrote:IF asked for my race (i.e. for a new NRIC) I always ask for 'white'. When they confusingly respond it's not available I ask for 'Ang Moh', when that doesn't turn up I ask for 'Matt Salleh', when that doesn't turn up they offer 'Caucasian' but I explain that I am certain my line does not come from the Caucus region of Russia.


So... since this is highly confusing to you... mark BLACK... after all we all have ancestors in Africa.

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:55 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:So... since this is highly confusing to you... mark BLACK... after all we all have ancestors in Africa.


'... Buuuuuut wait!'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/0 ... 69225.html
'Primate Fossil Suggests Human Ancestors Originated In Asia, Not Africa'

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Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:56 pm

JR8 wrote:
Strong Eagle wrote:So... since this is highly confusing to you... mark BLACK... after all we all have ancestors in Africa.


'... Buuuuuut wait!'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/0 ... 69225.html
'Primate Fossil Suggests Human Ancestors Originated In Asia, Not Africa'


Well... shit... OK... YELLOW

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Re: White Please

Postby nakatago » Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:50 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:
JR8 wrote:
Strong Eagle wrote:So... since this is highly confusing to you... mark BLACK... after all we all have ancestors in Africa.


'... Buuuuuut wait!'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/0 ... 69225.html
'Primate Fossil Suggests Human Ancestors Originated In Asia, Not Africa'


Well... shit... OK... YELLOW


So, when someone hassles me, I can't use the line "Oh, I get it; it's because I'm black, isn't it?!"

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 25 Jul 2012 8:54 am

offshoreoildude wrote:IF asked for my race (i.e. for a new NRIC) I always ask for 'white'. When they confusingly respond it's not available I ask for 'Ang Moh', when that doesn't turn up I ask for 'Matt Salleh', when that doesn't turn up they offer 'Caucasian' but I explain that I am certain my line does not come from the Caucus region of Russia.


The confusion is on you then. Funny enough, some words can have more than one meaning!
Caucasian |kôˈkāZHən|
adjective
1 often offensive of or relating to one of the traditional divisions of humankind, covering a broad group of peoples from Europe, western Asia, and parts of India and North Africa.
[so named because the German physiologist Blumenbach believed that it originated in the Caucasus region of southeastern Europe.]
• white-skinned; of European origin.
2 of or relating to the Caucasus.
3 of or relating to a group of languages spoken in the region of the Caucasus, of which thirty-eight are known, many not committed to writing. The most widely spoken is Georgian, of the small South Caucasian family, not related to the three North Caucasian families.

noun
often offensive a Caucasian person.
• a white person; a person of European origin.
usage: In the racial classification as developed by anthropologists in the 19th century, Caucasian (or Caucasoid) included peoples whose skin color ranged from light (in northern Europe) to dark (in parts of North Africa and India). Although the classification is outdated and the categories are now not generally accepted as scientific (see usage at Australoid and Mongoloid), the term Caucasian has acquired a more restricted meaning. It is now used as a synonym for ‘white or of European origin,’ as in the following citation: the police are looking for a Caucasian male in his forties.


I don't find it "often offensive" though... I guess I've been here too long.

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Postby the lynx » Wed, 25 Jul 2012 9:09 am

I used to study Anthropology 101 back in university and we used those terms (Caucasian, Sino-Asian, Austronesian, Hispanic, Polynesian, Negro) very frequently as part of our academical studies and assignments.

If anyone finds it offensive, they are obviously narrow-minded.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:33 am

Not nearly as offensive as Ang Moh! :lol: Actually, I rather like the term as it's mostly used affectionately rather than as a derogatory term (although that has been changing here in the past 2 years as the citizenry gets progressively more and more xenophobic).

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Postby v4jr4 » Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:04 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Not nearly as offensive as Ang Moh! :lol: Actually, I rather like the term as it's mostly used affectionately rather than as a derogatory term (although that has been changing here in the past 2 years as the citizenry gets progressively more and more xenophobic).


Really? I thought "Ang Moh" means "yellow hair". Or does it mean something else?

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Postby the lynx » Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:07 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Not nearly as offensive as Ang Moh! :lol: Actually, I rather like the term as it's mostly used affectionately rather than as a derogatory term (although that has been changing here in the past 2 years as the citizenry gets progressively more and more xenophobic).


For some 'aww' factor:
There was a Western expat who used to live opposite my house back in home town. One day, I was in a neighbourhood florist and this guy came in to buy some flowers.

The florist was at the back of the shop while her little girl was playing around in the shop.

So the Ang Moh dude went over to the intrigued girl (probably never seen a foreigner before) and told her in these exact words, "Please go and tell mommy that red-haired monkey wants to buy some flowers."

LOL moment! :lol:
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