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Postby NorrinRadd » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 9:18 pm

I'm ok with that, it's probably one of the least caustic names for me so far.

Good that we got back on topic after it got hijacked.

I knew before I did the OP that this is not really the right forum.

It's pretty frustrating that they expect you to provide your name, FIN, mother's maiden name, salary, etc. to comment on the ST rag's site or newspaper's editorial and letters sections.

However that is the real target for showcasing the opposing view. I honestly think most locals never thought of foreigners as anything but that unfortunate FT moniker, and think we believe it too, walking around with bigger heads (and salaries, and packages) than we actually have.

Kiasu poisons deep and wide. It's so easy to see when you're not a slave to it yourself.



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NorrinRadd wrote:You'd better focus on the 'manner's thread, you're loosing that plot too. you don't stand a chance here.


I'm gonna start calling you the "Chameleon"! :wink:

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Postby sweetgazebo » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 9:41 pm

the indians encountered in my last work place were both lacking in talent and never on time for work in addition to always being 'absent' from the desk just about 5 times a day (b'fast, lunch, post lunch, tea, pre dinner)


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sweetgazebo wrote:After my last experience at a financial institution where 95% of them are indians honestly i find the quality of their work that of 3rd world level - how can there be competition? :?

Pot? Kettle? Black? Having worked in two local companies for the last 15 years. I can say much the same about local staff as well. Especially considering I was the Admin/Recruiter in one and the HR/Finance Mgr in my current on. At least they are generally on time and dependable and actually give notice. Unlike local staff who generally just stop coming in "because they want a change of environment". I have to admit, though, the environment does tend to get better when they leave..... :-|

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Postby sweetgazebo » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 9:52 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:


NorrinRadd ---> :???: wrote:
Good that we got back on topic after it got hijacked.

NorrinRadd wrote:You'd better focus on the 'manner's thread, you're loosing that plot too. you don't stand a chance here.



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Postby NorrinRadd » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 9:57 pm

sweetgazebo ('sour shack' might be a better fit) - contrary to what you seem to think, this (nor any other) thread is not about you.

Can you just take your noise somewhere else so the thread can continue being about the thread without your attention-starved head keep popping up?

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Postby sweetgazebo » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:02 pm

Oops .... there he goes again :lol: :D :)

NorrinRadd wrote:sweetgazebo ('sour shack' might be a better fit) - contrary to what you seem to think, this (nor any other) thread is not about you.

Can you just take your noise somewhere else so the thread can continue being about the thread without your attention-starved head keep popping up?


NorrinRadd ---> :???: wrote:
Good that we got back on topic after it got hijacked.

NorrinRadd wrote:You'd better focus on the 'manner's thread, you're loosing that plot too. you don't stand a chance here.



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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:35 pm

sweetgazebo wrote:the indians encountered in my last work place were both lacking in talent and never on time for work in addition to always being 'absent' from the desk just about 5 times a day (b'fast, lunch, post lunch, tea, pre dinner)


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sweetgazebo wrote:After my last experience at a financial institution where 95% of them are indians honestly i find the quality of their work that of 3rd world level - how can there be competition? :?

Pot? Kettle? Black? Having worked in two local companies for the last 15 years. I can say much the same about local staff as well. Especially considering I was the Admin/Recruiter in one and the HR/Finance Mgr in my current on. At least they are generally on time and dependable and actually give notice. Unlike local staff who generally just stop coming in "because they want a change of environment". I have to admit, though, the environment does tend to get better when they leave..... :-|


I guess you can blame that on the hiring manager can't you? It's easy enough to get rid of 'em. Just cancel their passes. Oh, I forgot, there isn't enough locals to do the jobs because they forgot how to procreate, hence the ridiculously low TFR here. (third lowest in the world) This means we have no choice to put up with the local shenanigans because we need them for the headcount so the foreigners can be hired to do the work that the locals eventually take all the credit for. Sad but true. :-|

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Postby the lynx » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:43 pm

OK going back to the topic (again), I personally think that the moniker FT is always for the ones with a 'different set skills', for example, those from specific science disciplines which Singapore is not investing on (leaning heavily on biotechnology, biomedicine, health sciences and chemistry). Of course there are more disciplines in different fields but I'm touching on one for now.

Although in jest, I would like to say that considering how apathetic locals are to 'menial' jobs such as landscaping, construction and even pest management, I'm not surprised if the government considering foreigners brought in to fill up these vacancies as 'talents' as well - since the locals consider themselves 'unfit' for these too.

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:28 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:hence the ridiculously low TFR here. (third lowest in the world)



Nope.... now the lowest of all in the world.

Singapore finally made #1!


https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... 7rank.html

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Postby sweetgazebo » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:36 pm

recently i read somewhere of a local who's in her late 30s and got laid off fr her admin post. she managed to land an interview after like 3 mths unemployment. but alas the job she interviewed for went to an (indian) foreigner. her last drawn was about $3k / mth. i am guessing the foreigner went for even less.

the lynx wrote:OK going back to the topic (again), I personally think that the moniker FT is always for the ones with a 'different set skills', for example, those from specific science disciplines which Singapore is not investing on (leaning heavily on biotechnology, biomedicine, health sciences and chemistry). Of course there are more disciplines in different fields but I'm touching on one for now.

Although in jest, I would like to say that considering how apathetic locals are to 'menial' jobs such as landscaping, construction and even pest management, I'm not surprised if the government considering foreigners brought in to fill up these vacancies as 'talents' as well - since the locals consider themselves 'unfit' for these too.

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Postby sweetgazebo » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:41 pm

SMS, dat's why if hiring mgr hire their own kind, MoM decide whether to give out the pass or not (which i have been hearing fr peeps i know their passes / PRs are not getting renewed despite being in this country longer than me).

as for the low birth rate, oso don't blame them locals. how-lah to procreate with so much work pressure and stress. cost of living is higher than earned remuneration. i joked with a singaporean recently that maybe she should consider renting in singapore and buy a bungalow in KL under the MM2H program. she actually thought it was a brilliant idea.


sundaymorningstaple wrote:
sweetgazebo wrote:the indians encountered in my last work place were both lacking in talent and never on time for work in addition to always being 'absent' from the desk just about 5 times a day (b'fast, lunch, post lunch, tea, pre dinner)


sundaymorningstaple wrote:
sweetgazebo wrote:After my last experience at a financial institution where 95% of them are indians honestly i find the quality of their work that of 3rd world level - how can there be competition? :?

Pot? Kettle? Black? Having worked in two local companies for the last 15 years. I can say much the same about local staff as well. Especially considering I was the Admin/Recruiter in one and the HR/Finance Mgr in my current on. At least they are generally on time and dependable and actually give notice. Unlike local staff who generally just stop coming in "because they want a change of environment". I have to admit, though, the environment does tend to get better when they leave..... :-|


I guess you can blame that on the hiring manager can't you? It's easy enough to get rid of 'em. Just cancel their passes. Oh, I forgot, there isn't enough locals to do the jobs because they forgot how to procreate, hence the ridiculously low TFR here. ....

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:43 pm

sweetgazebo wrote:recently i read somewhere of a local who's in her late 30s and got laid off fr her admin post. she managed to land an interview after like 3 mths unemployment. but alas the job she interviewed for went to an (indian) foreigner. her last drawn was about $3k / mth. i am guessing the foreigner went for even less.


Go and stand outside the Istana with a placard against Indians (French or Brits) or something won't you.

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Postby sweetgazebo » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:48 pm

Strange ... just recently one local I know lamented that she wouldn't mind being the F&B manager (a post which I believe is normally held by foreigners).


the lynx wrote: ....Although in jest, I would like to say that considering how apathetic locals are to 'menial' jobs such as landscaping, construction and even pest management, I'm not surprised if the government considering foreigners brought in to fill up these vacancies as 'talents' as well - since the locals consider themselves 'unfit' for these too.

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:51 pm

sweetgazebo wrote:as for the low birth rate, oso don't blame them locals. how-lah to procreate with so much work pressure and stress. cost of living is higher than earned remuneration. i joked with a singaporean recently that maybe she should consider renting in singapore and buy a bungalow in KL under the MM2H program. she actually thought it was a brilliant idea.


Complete bollocks although I appreciate to a Malaysian having to get out of bed each day is a major trauma. Singaporeans work neither hard nor smart. They are about as stressed as an average sheep standing in a field waiting to be told what to do by an FT sheep-dog.

You want stress? Try working in Tokyo, the City of London or Wall Street. Compared to them Singapore is a holiday camp with domestic staff thrown in to make it even cushier.

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 01 May 2012 12:29 am

The stress here is because someone wants to look good--either the manager who wants his team to have a high throughput or the employee who wants the manager to think he's working hard. It's almost always because of bad planning and resource allocation.

It's rare that they actually have a real tight deadline or there's a sudden influx of work.

The "stressed-out" singaporeans got nothing on Japanese salary men. And they like calling the Aussies and French lazy.

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Postby morenangpinay » Tue, 01 May 2012 12:31 am

well if the locals are really complaining bout how easy it is for foreigners to get jobs...my unsolicited suggestion to the facebook page of PM LHL would be to make job hiring like the Hunger Games....and so the citizenry can see their big advantage, the tru blu born n bred sgers would be allowed a FDW in the process..you know..for bag carrying...shoot arrows...walk...fetch food. :wink:


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