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Postby sweetgazebo » Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:44 pm

Well why do you think of it as 'arrogant welcome'? I posted a comment here and it's a fact whether you choose to believe it or not. it's true she's paid $30k / month in the US and it's true she received a letter fr the Singapore government - was that an arrogant welcome?!

anyway, i will leave you to your small mind and even smaller world with a reminder to clean your mouth of that foul with soap and beer and more beer

NorrinRadd wrote:If I post anything it won't be from an arrogant welcome.

In the meantime, feel free to pour yourself another glass of whatever you've been drinking.

sweetgazebo wrote:Yep! ... if you can find this link about this 'real talent based back in the US' PLEASE do post it here ... it would be interesting to see what you can find and obviously you are just another foul-mouthed fool

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Postby NorrinRadd » Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:48 pm

You'd better focus on the 'manner's thread, you're loosing that plot too. you don't stand a chance here.

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Postby JR8 » Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:48 pm

Wow.... there's yet another person you've got into a fight with.

Notice the pattern?

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Postby sweetgazebo » Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:52 pm

you should be the one watching your foul mouth (over a harmless comment)


NorrinRadd wrote:You'd better focus on the 'manner's thread, you're loosing that plot too. you don't stand a chance here.

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Postby carteki » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:45 am

Dragging the post back to the original topic ...

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Kim, where in the world did you come up with that deduction? or is it a tongue-in-cheek statement?


Sorry - I got my facts messed up, but just checked and citizens in SG account for 62% of the pop.

NorrinRad wrote:Actually SMS, I could be wrong but think I've seen the FT term used in conjunction with maids as well. Agree that FL would probably be more appropriate for them. And would explain why the locals are confused.


I always assumed that the term FT refered to S & Work pass holders, and was a cynical term used to "sell" them to the rank & file of the population, but SMS has disabused me of that notion. Thanks.

On the Singapore is "cheap" topic - I'm losing the plot. I personally know of a Pakistani banking executive (def also paid vast amounts of money) who was invited to apply for PR, but he declined. So invites do happen.

Reasons for declining - I don't know his, but I'm fairly sure that salaries in SG are not on a par with those in NY (in another post someone was saying that a shift manager at Starbucks NY would qualify for a PEP based on salary) and also the general quality of people that you're working with here is not the same (hence the reason for the govt having to send out invites and I also know that they're doing exactly the same in the academic sphere).

sweetgazebo wrote:#2 - well why would a bank pay you USD$30K / month for nothing

It happens back home for political reasons if you have the right colour skin and they need the numbers! Not as likely to happen in the US I think.

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Postby IOP » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:56 am

NorrinRadd wrote:So who started with this moronic term?

Did foreigners come up with it, the Singapore government, Singaporean people?

Are foreigners in any other country referred to as "talent' or simply "foreigners"?

I suspect this is homegrown. All it does is put some psychological barrier between people to label one side as "talent" as in doing so erroneously elevates them above those who aren't. Creates animosity.

Anywhere else I've lived besides home, I was just a "foreigner".



Yeap, they are talents.

Professionals from big countries like US, Germany, Russia are more educated simply because they are from big countries and had large opportunities for growth there.
I remember, in my country I had a chance to visit rockets manufacturing site, which is inaccessible for foreigners, and I have learnt a lot.
You don't have such sites in Singapore, and A* Agency is quite small compare to what I have in my 1 million hometown.

I feel big difference between people in Europe and here. Of course, we also have lazy people in Europe, but they don't come here.

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Postby nutnut » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:08 pm

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You really are just a troll aren't you?
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Postby sweetgazebo » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 1:19 pm

This lady quoted in this thread was actually offered a job when the invitation letter was extended to her (i believe it's with MAS and that too, 3 times her US salary) and she has never worked in Singapore before (tho she did study JC on a full scholarship years ago).

As for her real reason in declining the invitation was, incidentally also, on politics in addition to Singapore being cheap as in cheap labour.


carteki wrote:Dragging the post back to the original topic ...

On the Singapore is "cheap" topic - I'm losing the plot. I personally know of a Pakistani banking executive (def also paid vast amounts of money) who was invited to apply for PR, but he declined. So invites do happen.

Reasons for declining - I don't know his, but I'm fairly sure that salaries in SG are not on a par with those in NY (in another post someone was saying that a shift manager at Starbucks NY would qualify for a PEP based on salary) and also the general quality of people that you're working with here is not the same (hence the reason for the govt having to send out invites and I also know that they're doing exactly the same in the academic sphere).

sweetgazebo wrote:#2 - well why would a bank pay you USD$30K / month for nothing

It happens back home for political reasons if you have the right colour skin and they need the numbers! Not as likely to happen in the US I think.

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Postby morenangpinay » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 4:48 pm

from my observation, foreign talent was coined by the government to attract investors. its one of their marketing strategies in trying to woo MNCs in the country by saying Singapore can easily attract foreign talent...safe environment,stable economy...etc. So its again about the money.

Also some of the areas in Singapore don't have that particular skill set like for example in the creative industry, media, R&D,etc. ofcourse employers have found loop holes in the law so its abused but people cant blame foreigners because its human nature to take advantage opportunities when it is presented to you.

Out of spite, the locals have used the term "foreign talent" for PMET level foreigners particularly the ones from third world countries due mainly to their view that the education and qualifications arent at par with Singapore.

Honestly, my point of view is that locals should take the competition as a challenge instead because at some point there will always be someone else more capable than you. You can't control other people's actions, you can only control your own so they should take it as a way to improve themselves.

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 4:56 pm

morenangpinay wrote:...
Also some of the areas in Singapore don't have that particular skill set like for example ...


Like for example having common sense, initiative, or heavens forbid leadership qualities.

As long as SG trains (they don't educate, in the strict sense of the word) people to be good passive sheep, they will always need FT.

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Postby sweetgazebo » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 6:26 pm

After my last experience at a financial institution where 95% of them are indians honestly i find the quality of their work that of 3rd world level - how can there be competition? :?


morenangpinay wrote:......locals should take the competition as a challenge instead because at some point there will always be someone else more capable than you. You can't control other people's actions, you can only control your own so they should take it as a way to improve themselves.

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Postby nakatago » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 6:53 pm

morenangpinay wrote:Honestly, my point of view is that locals should take the competition as a challenge instead because at some point there will always be someone else more capable than you. You can't control other people's actions, you can only control your own so they should take it as a way to improve themselves.


Someone better? UNTHINKABLE!!!!

Out of their control? Then it must be the gahmen!!!

:roll:

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 6:58 pm

nakatago wrote:Someone better? UNTHINKABLE!!!!
:roll:


'Eeder I win and hab the 5C's, or I don get out o bed lah and jus hate all this FT insect instead'

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 8:31 pm

sweetgazebo wrote:After my last experience at a financial institution where 95% of them are indians honestly i find the quality of their work that of 3rd world level - how can there be competition? :?


morenangpinay wrote:......locals should take the competition as a challenge instead because at some point there will always be someone else more capable than you. You can't control other people's actions, you can only control your own so they should take it as a way to improve themselves.


Pot? Kettle? Black? Having worked in two local companies for the last 15 years. I can say much the same about local staff as well. Especially considering I was the Admin/Recruiter in one and the HR/Finance Mgr in my current on. At least they are generally on time and dependable and actually give notice. Unlike local staff who generally just stop coming in "because they want a change of environment". I have to admit, though, the environment does tend to get better when they leave..... :-|

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 8:35 pm

NorrinRadd wrote:You'd better focus on the 'manner's thread, you're loosing that plot too. you don't stand a chance here.


I'm gonna start calling you the "Chameleon"! :wink:


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