Renunciation of SC and concurrent application of EP

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Fri, 27 Apr 2012 6:36 pm

USSGDecisions wrote:Yes, I declared I had only an SG passport.

That my friend under the law is PERJURY

USSGDecisions · Post by **USSGDecisions** » Fri, 27 Apr 2012 6:50 pm

Yes, sad but true.

taxico · Post by **taxico** » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 1:52 am

USSGDecisions wrote:lllI have travelled through Singapore on my US passport before, but I have been doing so for about 3-4 years off and on...

why???

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 9:24 am

Probably afraid of getting picked up by CMPB......

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 4:01 pm

http://www.ica.gov.sg/news_details.aspx?nid=12608

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 5:16 pm

Now you got cold feet and delete all your posts. Damn !!!

I have your posts from the PM side.

Let's put this to the poll and see if other forumers wish and want it to be in the public domain or not.

I never do this before since I join this forum in 2008 but sometimes it really gets me when one do this in the public domain

What say ye . my dear forumers ?

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 5:25 pm

I say yes, and lock his account too.

It is exasperating and it is the second time that this has happened in two days (the other being the pilot 'with a distance-learning MBA' refused an EP).

I can deal with people who get advice, and never get around to giving feedback on the result. But to delete all your posts because you don't like the advice you get is bloody rude, and selfish in that it makes the effort expended fruitless for anyone else.

p.s. strangely enough it crossed my mind this am that he might go and delete his posts...

Edit to add:

MS, fear not I have all his posts in my cache. I'll repost them 'for the record'...

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 5:37 pm

MOD NOTE: These have been put in OP's posts which he deleted.

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USSGDecisions
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:49 pm Post subject: Renunciation of SC and concurrent application of EP

Hi everyone,

I have been reading blog posts on here for quite a few years, getting much information through the questions others have asked, and the many who have graciously offered their suggestions and knowledge.
Now it is my turn to ask a few questions, and hope that those of you who have knowledge, may share some of it with me!

Sundaymorningstaple and MadScientist have been particularly helpful and I hope that they would graciously offer me their opinions as well.

Situation is this:

I recently received a letter from ICA stating that "it has come to their attention that I have a foreign passport, etc..." They did not mention anything about renunciation, or anything of the sort, but did want me to reply by a stated date with a whole stack of documents that they wanted filled out.

Unlike many others here who have posted about renunciation issues, I HAVE served my 2+ years of NS here in Singapore, and did so quite proudly, and would probably do so again if the opportunity arose. The problem arises when I do not wish to give up the birthright of my foreign citizenship, obviously. I have lived in Singapore for about 15 years (moved here when I was 13), went to a local secondary school, graduated from NAFA, served NS for 2+ years, and went overseas to do my degree. Now I'm working in Singapore.

I am currently working in Singapore, and my boss has already agreed to apply for an employment pass on my behalf, if I choose to renounce my SC.

My question then, is...
What do you think are my chances of:

1. Applying for an employment pass(P2) using my foreign citizenship, while concurrently processing the renunciation?

or

2. Applying for an EP after renunciation is done?

My qualifications are from a reputable university in the US, where I graduated with honors, I have 3+ years experience working in Singapore, I served my NS liabilty, and the profession I am in, is listed on the MOM website as "skills/careers needed in Singapore in the coming years." I would be applying for an P2 EP. I tried the questionnaire listed on the MOM website, and it said I would "likely be granted an EP, based on the qualifications and information given."

As many previous OP and numerous others have posted and replied, I am aware that there is no guarantee that if I renounce I will be allowed to work/stay in Singapore. That is very clear. This being said, how good/bad do you think my chances would be if I did so?

Many thanks in advance for your thoughts, knowledge, and/or opinions. Look forward to hearing from you all soon!
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USSGDecisions
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:53 pm Post subject:

I also forgot to mention that I intend to apply for a PR, after a few months if my EP is successful. I am fully aware that is a roll of the dice and there is no guarantee that it will be successful, but I'm just interested to hear if anyone has been in a similar situation, and if so, they may share some of their knowledge with me!

Thanks again!
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USSGDecisions
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:35 pm Post subject:

Thanks for that, sms. Appreciate your input! I do tend to think the EP would be ok, but PR would probably be a no-no. VERY tough decision, either way.

Thanks again.

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USSGDecisions
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject:

I was born in the US, hence a US Citizen by birth. Emigrated to SG, and parents applied for SG Citizenship by descent.

ICA must have known through some random check, either because, my brother got a letter a few months ago, and maybe decided to check up on me, or because I have travelled through Singapore on my US passport before, but I have been doing so for about 3-4 years off and on, so it definitely took them some time.

I did not declare that I had a foreign PP when I renewed.

It also seems strange to me that the ICA is not particularly bothered about asking me to renounce, but they "offered" my brother the "option." So, *shrugs*, really don't know.

I have not ever been "stopped" at border control regarding anything to do with dual citizenship or anything of that nature in Singapore, or in the US.

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USSGDecisions
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:02 pm Post subject:

Hi MS, i will PM you details if you don't mind.

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USSGDecisions
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:16 pm Post subject:

Obviously, the inner workings of the ICA and their checks, are probably only known to those at "Citizen Investigation Branch." I'm about 29, and I think they probably found out due to my traveling through SG on a US PP, but, like I said, I'd been doing this for a few years, so it took them some time.

Yes, I realize they don't take kindly to 'rule-breakers,' and I can only hope they won't use me as an example.

Thanks for your input JR8, much appreciated.

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USSGDecisions
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:26 pm Post subject:

Recently.

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USSGDecisions
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject:

Yes, I declared I had only an SG passport.

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USSGDecisions
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:50 pm Post subject:

Yes, sad but true.

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Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 6:02 pm

And I have locked his account. Now, this evening I will reinstate JR8's posts to their rightful slots. But now I gotta dinner date and have to run. Ta!

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 6:07 pm

Tor the record the original topic title was...

'Renunciation of SC and concurrent application of EP'

Post by **nakatago** » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 6:45 pm

Ok, I've restored OP's posts, thanks to JR8's findings.

-Moderator

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 7:21 pm

I was so close in revealing what transpire in PM but anyway....... let's put it to rest for now but if he pushes me to the wall, I will ........

I sensed he was trying to beat the system and I corrected him for that but he wanted more than that and all I said was

" You are and I are of a different league "

" Now you sound like a broken record to me, so please stop now"

Methinks he suddenly catches the flu bug

zzm9980 · Post by **zzm9980** » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 9:01 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:http://www.ica.gov.sg/news_details.aspx?nid=12608

This should be sticky-ed.

Where is the follow-up article that mentions this guy car was found abandoned on Joo Chiat, and his body in Bedok Reservoir after his sentence finished?

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:34 pm

Just got back from the buffet at the Grand Copthorne Riverview! Stuffed!

Thanks Nak, I see you are up to your efficient self!

That ought to get up his nose really good!

He must have thought we all are as dumb as he apparently is. Good Job JR8 I was apparently only a few minutes late and the damn googlebots are getting faster and faster on their rounds now!

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:04 pm

I recalled that long ago in IE it was possible to go back as the browser caches what you have viewed. You can set the duration of history stored going back a week or more. It came in handy once or twice.

In Opera (my default browser these days) it has a handy little Bin icon in the top right of the page. Close a page accidentally? Just go to the Bin and pull it right back out of cache, it'll be at the top of the list. Simplicity itself. My cache there is for the day's viewing history. I expect that there is another larger cache that goes back further buried deeper within the application somewhere. Anyway it's 'Mr. Bin' that the OP has to curse, as I had read the topic this am just before he trashed it.

I too am surprised at how fast Google is getting at updating it's cache. It had updated this thread and the pilot/MBA thread within 15-30 minutes of their respective trashings!

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