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What is best primary/high school for children?

Postby StoneBear » Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:35 am

What's the best one in Singapore, do you think? Money and entry is not a factor. Just looking for the best.

My daughter is only 2 now. Looking for a school that takes her right through to final high school year.

Thank you.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:54 pm

:roll:

As ratings are subjective to start with, and demographics change from years to year, information for the future is rather unseeable. That, coupled with the fact that we don't have information to you ethnicity or nationality means you may or may not be qualified to get your children into the best school, regardless of your money.

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Postby StoneBear » Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:16 am

I'm a New Zealand citizen now. Anglo-Saxon. My daughter is Thai and she is a mix of my blood plus half Indian and aboriginal Thai from her mother. She speaks dual Thai and English (or as best as that as a 2 year old can manage). Ethnic we are a mix of Western and Asian, obviously. Mongrels. Is that what you wanted to know?

But when we move to Singapore we will be given citizenship. So I don't see what all pretext matters if you have the nationality. She'd be suited to both international and domestic orientated schools. I prefer international style. But I just want an idea of what are the best to look at.

Thanks for reply

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Postby A little ball of fur » Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:03 am

StoneBear wrote:I'm a New Zealand citizen now. Anglo-Saxon. My daughter is Thai and she is a mix of my blood plus half Indian and aboriginal Thai from her mother. She speaks dual Thai and English (or as best as that as a 2 year old can manage). Ethnic we are a mix of Western and Asian, obviously. Mongrels. Is that what you wanted to know?

But when we move to Singapore we will be given citizenship. So I don't see what all pretext matters if you have the nationality. She'd be suited to both international and domestic orientated schools. I prefer international style. But I just want an idea of what are the best to look at.

Thanks for reply


Just out of curiosity, StoneBear. What do you mean when you move to Singapore, you and your family will be given citizenship? I suppose you meant SG citizenship? My dear sir, I have not heard of a fast track scheme towards Singapore citizenship the moment a family of foreigners land on the shores of Singapore. Unless you are Jet Li.

Please clarify.

Additionally, Singapore citizens are not allowed to attend International Schools such as Dover Court, UWCSEA, SAS, CIS, OFS, AIS etc.

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Postby StoneBear » Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:28 am

I'm an athlete. I get what I want. Having a skill Singapore govt wants allows you to haggle like a crone with a codfish.

Why can't Singapore citizens attend International Schools? That's silly. Kind of. But it makes a little sense. Though I could keep my daughter a Thai national for a while, it sounds like a no brainer. Like the time I was asked to provide a tax statement when I've never paid tax before. It just can't be done and someone is obviously missing something in their head for asking for it.

I doubt foreign born citizens will be excluded just because they have obtained citizenship, but I will keep it in mind.

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Postby A little ball of fur » Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:34 am

StoneBear wrote:I'm an athlete. I get what I want. Having a skill Singapore govt wants allows you to haggle like a crone with a codfish.

Why can't Singapore citizens attend International Schools? That's silly. Kind of. But it makes a little sense. Though I could keep my daughter a Thai national for a while, it sounds like a no brainer. Like the time I was asked to provide a tax statement when I've never paid tax before. It just can't be done and someone is obviously missing something in their head for asking for it.

I doubt foreign born citizens will be excluded just because they have obtained citizenship, but I will keep it in mind.


With that pompous kind of attitude, it's no wonder the Singaporeans have nothing but contempt for foreigners.

Edit: You either apply for citizenship as a family unit or you don't apply at all.

Don't count on it that the Singapore government will be rolling the red carpet for you. There is a severe backlash against the importation of foreign athletes into Singapore at the moment and it won't end very soon.

Keep up the attitude, StoneBear! I'm sure the MOM and ICA officers who read this board will be keeping an eye out for you. :)

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Postby nakatago » Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:15 pm

StoneBear wrote:I'm an athlete. I get what I want. Having a skill Singapore govt wants allows you to haggle like a crone with a codfish


So, you're saying because of this, Singapore will give you citizenship or has the government already offered you citizenship?

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Postby A little ball of fur » Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:38 pm

nakatago wrote:
StoneBear wrote:I'm an athlete. I get what I want. Having a skill Singapore govt wants allows you to haggle like a crone with a codfish


So, you're saying because of this, Singapore will give you citizenship or has the government already offered you citizenship?


If StoneBear was offered SG citizenship and he did not apply for his daughter because he wants her to attend an International School as a Thai national, it would be a slap in the face to the Singapore gahmen and a sign of total disrespect. He would have lost all bargaining chips with the Singapore gahmen.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 23 Apr 2012 1:31 pm

StoneBear wrote:I'm a New Zealand citizen now. Anglo-Saxon. My daughter is Thai and she is a mix of my blood plus half Indian and aboriginal Thai from her mother. She speaks dual Thai and English (or as best as that as a 2 year old can manage). Ethnic we are a mix of Western and Asian, obviously. Mongrels. Is that what you wanted to know?

But when we move to Singapore we will be given citizenship. So I don't see what all pretext matters if you have the nationality. She'd be suited to both international and domestic orientated schools. I prefer international style. But I just want an idea of what are the best to look at.

Thanks for reply


You did give me a chuckle, I must admit. Just because you are an athlete, doesn't mean you will always get what you want. Frankly I have to wonder how good of an athlete you really are as in the past, the only imported athletes have always been second or third string in their home countries because Singapore traditionally won't pay the prices for 'good' foreign sportsmen. However, anything above the current level here is an improvement. Another footie player is it?

I have my doubts that you will be offered citizenship upon landing here. You will probably be given Permanent Residency first (similar to the old Landed Permanent Resident programme) and then after, say, two years, you will be offered citizenship. As long as you are a PR you wife can stay here on a LTVP. Once the application is filed for citizenship, it will almost have to be a family application. If not, then the Government may well withdraw the invitation if you try to play them for a fool.

Singapore law requires Singapore citizens to school in government schools so that they can be brainwashed accordingly.

In the past, the only way a citizen child could school in an International School was if the child had learning disabilities as the local school system is a very fast and advanced schooling system when compared to the International Schools. Therefore, a child with learning disabilities would not get a fair shake as they don't have to time nor inclination to take care of these, so with special dispensation from the MOE, they would be allowed to attend an International School that also catered for children with learning disabilities (like Autism for instance). Now the Government is starting to look out for these children as well.

As an aside, I've seen the athletes that have been brought over here in the past 30 years. Frankly I have to wonder how good of an athlete you really are as in the past, imported athletes have always been second or third string in their home countries because Singapore traditionally won't pay the prices for 'good' foreign sportsmen but anything above the current level here is an improvement. Another footie player is it? Just because you are an athlete, doesn't mean you will always get what you want.

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Postby nanamar » Mon, 23 Apr 2012 9:02 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Another footie player is it?


if my Googling (acceptable verb?) skills are worth anything and assuming his nick is consistent across multiple forums, then the sport should be muay thai or rather weightlifting (from his aims for the Olympics)


StoneBear wrote: I'm a New Zealand citizen now. Anglo-Saxon. My daughter is Thai and she is a mix of my blood plus half Indian and aboriginal Thai from her mother. She speaks dual Thai and English (or as best as that as a 2 year old can manage). Ethnic we are a mix of Western and Asian, obviously. Mongrels. Is that what you wanted to know?

But when we move to Singapore we will be given citizenship. So I don't see what all pretext matters if you have the nationality. She'd be suited to both international and domestic orientated schools. I prefer international style. But I just want an idea of what are the best to look at.

Thanks for reply


Does that mean you have jumped ship multiple before?

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Postby StoneBear » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:43 am

A little ball of fur wrote:With that pompous kind of attitude, it's no wonder the Singaporeans have nothing but contempt for foreigners.
I don't give a damn for Asian racism. I've lived in SEA for years and I've seen it all. People are going to treat you with contempt here no matter what you do. You're always supposed to "do things their way or get out and go home." Bugger that.

My question was simple. Not one has answered it yet.

And the "getting what you want" attitude is what you must have in life if you want to excel. You should learn that. Pushing to the front of the line is rude in your eyes? Stand and wait your turn and you'll never get ahead, however. No doubt this will reflect on you.

A little ball of fur wrote:Don't count on it that the Singapore government will be rolling the red carpet for you. There is a severe backlash against the importation of foreign athletes into Singapore at the moment and it won't end very soon.
If they don't roll out the red carpet, I won't be coming.

From what I know about this backlash, it's tangled in with general racism toward native Chinese and xenaphobic Singapore pride. It's nothing unusual in regards to the other aspects that plague the society. Nonetheless, the govt will continue to import people of exceptional skill as any country does.

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Postby StoneBear » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:49 am

A little ball of fur wrote:If StoneBear was offered SG citizenship and he did not apply for his daughter because he wants her to attend an International School as a Thai national, it would be a slap in the face to the Singapore gahmen and a sign of total disrespect. He would have lost all bargaining chips with the Singapore gahmen.
The bargaining chip is I stay or go. I'm trying to improve my families life. Both me and my wife were born very poor. I want my daughter to go to the best school and be a businesswoman. It's why I do everything I do. To raise the standards of the future generations of my blood line. Frankly, education is the most important thing. I thought Singapore would be a good idea, but a lot of people don't sound as enthusiastic about it.

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Postby StoneBear » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:55 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:You did give me a chuckle, I must admit. Just because you are an athlete, doesn't mean you will always get what you want. Frankly I have to wonder how good of an athlete you really are as in the past, the only imported athletes have always been second or third string in their home countries because Singapore traditionally won't pay the prices for 'good' foreign sportsmen. However, anything above the current level here is an improvement. Another footie player is it?
Singapore pays more than any other country in the world for gold medals. Also imports Olympians and pays them irrespective of whether they win or not.

I'm a weightlifter.

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I have my doubts that you will be offered citizenship upon landing here. You will probably be given Permanent Residency first (similar to the old Landed Permanent Resident programme) and then after, say, two years, you will be offered citizenship. As long as you are a PR you wife can stay here on a LTVP. Once the application is filed for citizenship, it will almost have to be a family application. If not, then the Government may well withdraw the invitation if you try to play them for a fool..
Chinese have been playing Singapore for fools for years. It hasn't changed anything.

Citizenship is given to athletes immediately. The reason is you need to be a national to compete.

You should understand that all these immigration laws are words in the wind.

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Postby StoneBear » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:00 pm

nanamar wrote:Does that mean you have jumped ship multiple before?
No. I don't like nationality. I was not born in NZ and have never lived there, but both my parents are kiwi so I inherited the citizenship. The country I grew up in (AKA "home") I need a visa to return to. Now I live in Thailand and have for years. SEA is my home now. My family is Thai. What is nationality seriously worth to such a immigrant person and multinational/cultural family?

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Postby A little ball of fur » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:14 pm

StoneBear wrote:
A little ball of fur wrote:If StoneBear was offered SG citizenship and he did not apply for his daughter because he wants her to attend an International School as a Thai national, it would be a slap in the face to the Singapore gahmen and a sign of total disrespect. He would have lost all bargaining chips with the Singapore gahmen.
The bargaining chip is I stay or go. I'm trying to improve my families life. Both me and my wife were born very poor. I want my daughter to go to the best school and be a businesswoman. It's why I do everything I do. To raise the standards of the future generations of my blood line. Frankly, education is the most important thing. I thought Singapore would be a good idea, but a lot of people don't sound as enthusiastic about it.


Singapore law states that ALL children who are Singapore citizens can only attend Singapore local schools. So you decide whether you want to take Singapore citizenship, handed on a platter to you, lock, stock and barrel and send your kid to a local school.

You have a big chip on your shoulder. Every parent would want their best for their child. You are no exception. Wake up in the real world. You will never get everything you ever want without getting it at the expense of others. If you could live with that. Good for you. But hear this. You are nothing special. So don't put yourself up like you are.

If you showed a little more humility, people might be a bit kinder and courteous towards you, and probably be a bit more helpful.


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