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JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:44 pm

vvleandrews wrote:Also as what MS suggested, I am in the midst of collecting all relevant case files from SPF and MOM. And perhaps I study that first, then come back here.

That is a good first step. Otherwise you just don't know what you're dealing with.

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Wed, 25 Apr 2012 4:47 pm

Ok , here we go again,

You can do two things

1. Get a photocopy of your PP and get it witness by a lawyer or Commissioner of Oath and signed a statement that you are visiting SG for the purpose of yadda yadda yadda and NOT for the purpose to engage on any illegal employment etc... > Get an invitation letter for SG company to support your claim. Apply at ICA building by your local sponsor. They many or may not need to pose a good behavioural bond
2. Alternatively go to SG Embassy at KL and apply a business visa with original local sponsor IC/SGPP and on their company letterhead sponsoring you to conduct business in SG

vvleandrews · Post by **vvleandrews** » Wed, 25 Apr 2012 5:36 pm

Thanks MS and JR8, truly appreciate it.

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Wed, 25 Apr 2012 5:48 pm

Theft Penal code is under Penal Code 378 Chapter 224

http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/search/d ... Theft%2522

http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/search/d ... Theft%2522

Theft» by clerk or servant of property in possession of master
381. Whoever, being a clerk or servant, or being employed in the capacity of a clerk or servant, commits «theft in respect of any property in the possession of his master or employer, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 7 years, and shall also be liable to fine.
[Indian PC 1860, s. 381]

Assault or criminal force in committing or attempting to commit theft» of property carried by a person
356. Whoever assaults or uses criminal force on any person, in committing or attempting to commit «theft of any property which that person is then wearing or carrying, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term of not less than one year and not more than 7 years, and shall also be liable to caning.

The above are some example of theft by person. Just food for thought and the penal codes that are based upon

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Wed, 25 Apr 2012 6:07 pm

I'd skimmed through that already...

But do either of those apply boss? The victim was a customer, and there was (apparently) no force used. The theft was not in a dwelling either, but at a workplace.

More like Section 378? [the courts web gateway is down so can't look at it again now... grrrr!]

Like you said at the start the statutory section that vvleandrews was charged under is precisely what she needs to find out...

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Wed, 25 Apr 2012 6:14 pm

Agreed, but it is more of the effect of 378 on the WP cancellation from MOM and ICA definitely placed her on the ban list which will be the thing she needs to find out.

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Wed, 25 Apr 2012 6:19 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:Agreed, but it is more of the effect of 378 on the WP cancellation from MOM and ICA definitely placed her on the ban list which will be the thing she needs to find out.

Got you. So whether it was $50 or $10k, it might all come down to how MoM/ICA recorded the reason for cancellation of the WP. And they might only have one reason that they can record, a blanket 'S378 Theft', which means you get tarred with the same brush as the worst of them...

vvleandrews · Post by **vvleandrews** » Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:26 am

The links are really insightful and now as I'm reading it, the term '378' does sound familiar, like I've heard it before. I'm still waiting for a reply from both MOM and SPF for thorough documentations. My guess is that it will take about 2 weeks - 1 month till we can confirm on details.

Will be sure to come back here the soonest I have rock solid details. Thanks so much JR8 and MS!

vvleandrews · Post by **vvleandrews** » Tue, 08 May 2012 12:29 pm

Hi, just got some replies to my queries from SPF and thought i'd share it here. Basically they refused to give me a point-blank answer.

An excerpt of my email: "Under the law, criminal records are confidential and the Police cannot release information on criminal records to members of public. If in doubt, you may call our Records Office at 65573985 for clarifications" So I called the records office and this kind malay lady said that I'm 'most probably' charged under 378 and that my records is considered under 'Spent' = meaning i'm eligible to make an application to be employed in SG. Still, uplifting of prohibitions on entry still lies with ICA.

MOM has not responded although 2 emails has been sent. And i've again contacted ICA if there's a possibility to get further and clearer information to my ban. Still waiting for their replies..

poodlek · Post by **poodlek** » Tue, 08 May 2012 1:07 pm

I don't know about Singapore, but in the USA in this situation there's a waver from the State Dept. you can apply for to have the dirty business lifted from your record, assuming the criminal process has taken its course. In the USA it's a bit of a racket, as I believe you have to re-apply every year to the tune of $695, unless perhaps you get a pardon. But this is just my not-quite-relevant experience. I hope this works out for you!

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Tue, 08 May 2012 4:32 pm

I'm very surprised that they won't give you a copy of your own record!

...But I'm glad that you making progress none the less

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Wed, 09 May 2012 3:49 pm

vvleandrews wrote:Hi, just got some replies to my queries from SPF and thought i'd share it here. Basically they refused to give me a point-blank answer.

An excerpt of my email: "Under the law, criminal records are confidential and the Police cannot release information on criminal records to members of public. If in doubt, you may call our Records Office at 65573985 for clarifications" So I called the records office and this kind malay lady said that I'm 'most probably' charged under 378 and that my records is considered under 'Spent' = meaning i'm eligible to make an application to be employed in SG. Still, uplifting of prohibitions on entry still lies with ICA.

MOM has not responded although 2 emails has been sent. And i've again contacted ICA if there's a possibility to get further and clearer information to my ban. Still waiting for their replies..

I cannot remember which floor at ICA but there is a section I think on the third floor which can clarify your status as spent offence. It is generally run by a police officer clerk. I cannot remember the name of the department/ sorry getting old but I know there is one at ICA

vvleandrews · Post by **vvleandrews** » Wed, 09 May 2012 5:41 pm

Thanks MS. Will google for possible contact details and shall update my progress

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Thu, 10 May 2012 1:35 am

If you are able to enter SG, there are two ways to retrieve that info.

Go to PCC ; Police Center at Cantonment. Go to 4th Floor. It is the same place where local gets police clearance when they intend to migrate overseas and need this clearance slip for PR application overseas.
Alternatively engage a lawyer to retrieve for you if you are not able to enter SG or get a signed declaration letter and get a local to do it at PCC.
The last bit not sure if this is accepted.
My POV is if you can get that clearance which takes about a week or two to process and pay $60.00 at the counter, you can built a strong case for your application at ICA and MOM

vvleandrews · Post by **vvleandrews** » Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:48 am

Hi All,

It's been a long and good wait. Why? Because my appeal is finally SUCCESSFUL!!!! I'm able to enter SG again!!

Thank you MS, JR8 and all who have helped me in my success. It was ALL your ideas and opinions that made me realise and see things from different perspectives and truly, i would never have achieve this without your guidance.

Thank you once again guys and may God bless you much!

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