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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:52 pm

When people look for answers, they get what they need to hear, which doesn't always match what they want to hear. Sometimes the truth is hard to swallow. But we don't try to blow smoke up people's arse, instead give them the unvarnished truth. Which in the long run keeps our credibility high even if it does hurt some people because they didn't get the answer they wanted.

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Postby the lynx » Thu, 19 Apr 2012 1:37 pm

ben8118 wrote:nakatago: I made my statement based on data, real situation and observation, not from the sky. In fact, I like what you guys are currently doing. Sort of like throwing cold water to fellow forum-ers. Don't like it? To be honest, I don't mind at all. Mouth and hand is yours..you can say anything you like. It does not concern me at all :)

lynx: Thanks. Applying for PR is just a small matter. I've even see people renouncing PR, then re-apply after few years later, got it and renouncing it again. Fun rite?


Just to be on neutral side, ICA has long memory, countless uninvited appeals and premature applications will be in their record. Does the word 'spam' ring strongly now? We hate spam, so do they.

And we have people like Mad Scientist here who actually have credible insider info on what is going on.

Yes we throw cold water, but better us than ICA few months/years right? We're trying to be realistic here for the good of those who genuinely seek for answers. Think of it as giving people lime-coated candy - super sour at first taste but sweet in the end. We definitely don't want to be the ones who gives Magnum-like crap, although on perverted perspective, given our almost-anonymity, we would probably enjoy giving the chocolate coat with crap inside. So those who jump up and down at our answers, well, we know which stuff they are after.

These people who seem to be successfully applying, getting granted, renouncing and repeated the cycle, good for them but at the current climate, it won't last long.

And, if you stay here long enough to contribute, you will understand what the regulars are talking about. At least I went through this route.

Oh on similar note, you want observation? My Malaysian Chinese male friend with a PhD in entomology got his PR application rejected in December 2011, 6 months after applying after working for a year. To be honest, I do not know what went wrong, and definitely neither does he. I don't remember if his rejection letter tells him to reapply after 2 years like some other rejected applicants.

Like you said, God willing, but there are possible factors out there.

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Postby ben8118 » Thu, 19 Apr 2012 2:01 pm

hi lynx,

Thanks for the feedback. Lets not go far. But to start with a very simple question that most of the forum-ers ask. What would be the best time to apply for PR.

Typical answer from you guys would be stay longer, contribute longer and start applying after 2-3years down the road. That's your advice and suggestion based on what people have experienced before which is they obtained their PR faster and without any hassle when they apply after 2-3 years.

In my case, I've seen many cases whereby application being granted even the person work less than 1 year. So, I made my statement based on what I've seen.

In the application form, it stated one can start applying after working for 6 months. It does not mention that one can only apply after 1 year, 2 years or 3 years. The so called 2-3years is based on what people have gone through. I suggest that ICA should put in the clause stating "One can only apply after working for 2 or 3 years". That would clear all the argument.

You guys have your point and I have my point. It is up to the individual when to lodge the application. There's no right or wrong in this case. Anyway, it's just a PR application. Get it or not, it's not the end of the world. Why worry and fret so much e.g. work not long enough etc. Just apply, leave the rest to God. :)

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 19 Apr 2012 3:39 pm

ben8118 wrote:
In my case, I've seen many cases whereby application being granted even the person work less than 1 year. So, I made my statement based on what I've seen.


How many is "many" in your frame of context? I'll be we have seen as many and probably even more. BUT. We've seen a heck of a lot more that haven't and in fact, the numbers are going up with every passing week. We've even started seeing REPs not being renewed even though the PR has been in Singapore for a number of years (not an abuser who went elsewhere for several years in the middle of the five year span).

Sure it says you can apply after 6 months. And there was a time a couple of years ago, that that was the norm and people regularly got approved. Then we started seeing letter coming back to the applicant telling them to reapply after two years. We also started seeing letter saying you are welcome to work here on an EP as long as you want but your application is being rejected. Other letters came that didn't say anything except rejection without any timeframe only. When you see one of those, do bother to reapply as you are just wasting you time.

Now, as criteria is getting tighter and tighter, the 6 months is generally only been successful by well placed and well educated Malaysian Chinese. Even PRCs are getting bounced now as the Gahmen realized that PRC are causing them too much damage at the polls. So, we try to keep it real. Oh, and Dog has absolutely nothing to do with it at all.

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 19 Apr 2012 4:00 pm

ben8118 wrote: As I mentioned early, this forum is suppose to clear people's doubt, not throwing cold water at people.



No it is not. The forum is what it is, an honest resource rather than an ar$e-wiping service.

It is your expectations that are faulty.

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Postby ben8118 » Thu, 19 Apr 2012 6:37 pm

SMS: Did you realize that majority of those who posted in this forum are either those who needs help, having problems in their application etc. How many of those who are successful but did not post in the forum. Maybe a small portion of those who are successful share their stories here.

I think it's pointless debating over this matter. My advice to those who wants to apply, but feel reluctant to apply, just go for it. SMS and the rest are not wrong, but for me I'll go for it. Nothing to lose. Worst case, if rejected just reapply. You still have your job, you're still being paid, so no worries and no big drama's at all.

Well, SMS..God is watching you. :)

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Postby ben8118 » Thu, 19 Apr 2012 6:39 pm

JR8: I think you did not read my message carefully. I made my statement based on facts and statistics. Maybe majority of those u know got their application rejected but not on my side. 8 out of 10 got theirs less than 1 year working here. Open up your mind and don't be sore loser. No hard feelings mate.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 19 Apr 2012 8:57 pm

ben8118 wrote:I think it's pointless debating over this matter. My advice to those who wants to apply, but feel reluctant to apply, just go for it. SMS and the rest are not wrong, but for me I'll go for it. Nothing to lose. Worst case, if rejected just reapply. You still have your job, you're still being paid, so no worries and no big drama's at all.

Well, SMS..God is watching you. :)


Then why do you keep going on and on and on like the energizer bunny about it. And no, Dog is not watching me. He only watches sinners who come on like saints, pretending to be something they're not. Get a life, dude. If you want to apply, then apply. As you said, at the end of the day it's your decision. Oh, if Dog was watching, believe me, I've enough good stored up to offset what YOU perceive is bad. Good luck. I feel you are going to need it before you life is through. #-o

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 19 Apr 2012 9:01 pm

Oh, wow, you know 8 people who got it. Read the papers, you might actually learn something. From the department of statistics:

PR granted were 59,460 in 2009 to 29,265 in 2010. This sure makes a mockery of your 8 out of 10. Unless all the ones you know are Malaysian Chinese, which, based on your tirade, I feel pretty certain that's the case.



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Postby ben8118 » Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:33 pm

SMS: You all keep on going and doesn't want to stop, then I mah follow. Freedom of speech what. You can't even take criticism?

Sinner or not, you yourself and God knows. It does not concern me at all.
You don't like what I'm writing? Feel offended? Or as the saying goes "who eats chilli, he's the one that feel hot" :)

cheers mate.

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Postby ben8118 » Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:43 pm

Well, it all started with some questions regarding fees and supporting documents to be provided. As I've mentioned, the main objective is to answer the question, not adding salt and pepper. And by saying that, I'm okay and mentioned no big dramas and no worries at all. I guess some got offended and mentioned if rejected, then it will be a big drama etc etc and it goes on.

As you've mentioned, in the end of the day, its the applicant that makes the decision. So, why the hoo haa? I really do not understand. Am I too harsh in my writing? You feel offended? :) Anyway, it's pointless to go on from here. You can write and criticize me or whatsoever, I will say thank you and good luck to you.

Chronology
- clarification on PR application fees and documents to be produced
- lynx suggested to include spouse but I mentioned no big dramas.
- SMS said if one given and the other one rejected, still no big drama?
- I mentioned leave it to God, and question the effectiveness of this forum in helping answering questions. In the end of the day its the applicant that decides to apply or not.
- then, the ding dong and hoohaa started.

No freedom of speech??



sundaymorningstaple wrote:Oh, wow, you know 8 people who got it. Read the papers, you might actually learn something. From the department of statistics:

PR granted were 59,460 in 2009 to 29,265 in 2010. This sure makes a mockery of your 8 out of 10. Unless all the ones you know are Malaysian Chinese, which, based on your tirade, I feel pretty certain that's the case.



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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:10 pm

ben8118 wrote:Well, it all started with some questions regarding fees and supporting documents to be provided. As I've mentioned, the main objective is to answer the question, not adding salt and pepper. And by saying that, I'm okay and mentioned no big dramas and no worries at all. I guess some got offended and mentioned if rejected, then it will be a big drama etc etc and it goes on.

As you've mentioned, in the end of the day, its the applicant that makes the decision. So, why the hoo haa? I really do not understand. Am I too harsh in my writing? You feel offended? :) Anyway, it's pointless to go on from here. You can write and criticize me or whatsoever, I will say thank you and good luck to you.

Chronology
- clarification on PR application fees and documents to be produced
- lynx suggested to include spouse but I mentioned no big dramas.
- SMS said if one given and the other one rejected, still no big drama?
- I mentioned leave it to God, and question the effectiveness of this forum in helping answering questions. In the end of the day its the applicant that decides to apply or not.
- then, the ding dong and hoohaa started.

No freedom of speech??

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You are repeating yourself. :console:

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 20 Apr 2012 1:23 am

I think maybe being told that his 'cunning plan' of not applying for PR together with his wife will severely prejudice his own application was unwelcome.

What he wants is support, not to have such 'cold water thrown' on him.

Ok, here's the requested support.

The fees are:
Entry permit : S$100
Re-Entry Permit : S$10 per year
Visa Fee : $30 per issue (for foreigners requiring a visa)

and don't worry about your wife, ICA won't be concerned about you applying for PR and her not.

Best of luck.


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