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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 9:37 am

vishalgupta2,

This doesn't have anything to do with your desires at all, but just a rambling on some of the aforementioned comments from other posters and something that you just mentioned.

It is very easy for me or anyone to compare India with Singapore and everyone knows the clear winner. The things definitely get more complicated and the comparison may not be equally easy when you were to compare US with SG. This is the comparison I have been making and evaluating.


It's not an easy choice at all between India & Singapore. From my way of thinking, India would be, by far, the better choice. Singapore has already reached it's apex, sadly. The country is starting to descend into a xenophobic cesspool and have already priced themselves out of a long term future considering the noises that the Y Gen are making against foreigners in general. As Singapore tightens up on immigration, and company's, particularly MNCs, start to move to more hospitable locations, I see the country descending into a long period of stagnation. I predicted this was going to happen over 5 years ago. Last years GE here, showed the Gen Y'ers that they have the power, just not the common sense. In fact, common sense is a rare commodity on the little red dot.

On the other hand, India is seeing the way forward, and is poised for a long period of rapid expansion. As the Indian diaspora is HUGE, there is a lot of intelligent Indians out there that ought to be making their way back to India to be the in the forefront of the great awakening there.

Only my 2¢ worth :wink:

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Postby Mad Scientist » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 4:12 pm

Desperate times comes for desperate measures, OP?
My thoughts which worth not even a cent

1. With more than I billion people in India, land against population ratios dries up very fast.
2. Most will have at least a degree and Masters from a A VERY REPUTED UNIVERSITY FROM Far Flung place like in Mysore or Goa or Doodalapur etc..
3. The need to get out from this paper chase and close proximity madness drives them up to their balls hence winners takes all approach.
4. Lastly, the Northern Part of India has got the looks hence equates to Bollywood stardom, the Southern Part of India has got the brains hence the overseas opportunities is abundant. Anything in between stays where they are with no where to go and it sucks big time!!
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Postby popeyefan » Sun, 29 Apr 2012 1:03 am

Mad Scientist wrote:1. With more than I billion people in India, land against population ratios dries up very fast.
2. Most will have at least a degree and Masters from a A VERY REPUTED UNIVERSITY FROM Far Flung place like in Mysore or Goa or Doodalapur etc..
3. The need to get out from this paper chase and close proximity madness drives them up to their balls hence winners takes all approach.
4. Lastly, the Northern Part of India has got the looks hence equates to Bollywood stardom, the Southern Part of India has got the brains hence the overseas opportunities is abundant. Anything in between stays where they are with no where to go and it sucks big time!!


+1.
That's the closest to the situation on ground. Precisely.

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Postby Mi Amigo » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:50 am

vishalgupta2 wrote:I totally agree with your point that there should be no rush. This said, I am a human and am also concerned that if things don't work out in terms of PR later, how will my career things work out. I believe its fair for a human to think and be cautious about a move this big.

Fair enough, but I'm still struggling with the timescales. How many times have you been to Singapore and how long did you stay here? Obviously one's impressions from short-term visits can be very different from those gained from a longer period of time living here.

It is very easy for me or anyone to compare India with Singapore and everyone knows the clear winner. The things definitely get more complicated and the comparison may not be equally easy when you were to compare US with SG. This is the comparison I have been making and evaluating.

To follow on from SMS' comments, I don't think it's clear cut as to who will be the long-term 'winner', or even whether such a term is appropriate. Seems to me there are also opportunities and a developing entrepreneurial environment in India these days; for example I found this programme interesting:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00qy7pp/Global_Business_Reverse_Innovation/

Given the high cost of living in Singapore and relatively modest salaries being commanded by many moving here from India, I would imagine there are also those who make a conscious decision to stay in (or return to) that country.

I never said that I must have PR in 6 months (I respect the law of the land and am not trying to play with it). I was only trying to get opinions about the probability so that I can make a informed decision.

Well IMO 6 months is too soon for most people to figure out whether or not they want to make a country their permanent home. And I'd imagine that the ICA would factor that into their assessment of such an early application too. They do ask for 3 years of tax assessments and I'm sure there's a reason for that.

I strongly believe that if we did our due diligence before we take a decision, there will be a far less number of people coming to forums and screaming foul.

Fair enough. And due diligence on this forum will reveal a general consensus that it's normally better to wait for at least a couple of years before applying for PR.

What would be better, people with realistic expectations or people hoping for the stars and then blaming the system for their unfair expectations?

Definitely a good idea to have realistic expectations, and that is what the regulars on this board try to provide. Some visitors don't like it when their assumptions and expectations are at variance with the 'reality' (or our best guess of the reality) that we experience here, but the intention is always to provide the information that people need to hear, which may not always tally with what they want to hear.
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Postby the lynx » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 9:02 am

+1 to Mi Amigo!

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Postby Mi Amigo » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:03 pm

Gracias!
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Postby vishalgupta2 » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:22 pm

First things first, I have an update. My Singapore HR just called to tell that we have an approval for P1.

Mi Amigao: I totally agree with you and SMS. Well, nearly.

Nearly because to me there are a few reason why I don't want to be in India.

Before I write more, I hope there ain't too many Indians about to start bashing me up right here.

The key thing I am scared, yes scared is about the security of my family. Number of Kidnaps, rapes, murders you hear if you look at Indian news, especially around Delhi are mind boggling.

Second thing is road rage. I had one of my very close cousin nearly killed by a few people coz he accidentally rear ended their car. Yes, he was obviously at fault, but do you beat people to death coz they had an accident? I apologize to every Indian reading my post here, but well, can you say this doesn't happen and don't I have the right to be scared about these?

As far as career goes, well I can easily tell you that I have more lucrative career and an easier life style in US than I am expecting in Singapore but there are unrivaled unique advantages of Singapore like safety, and close to India and yes EXTREMELY FRIENDLY. In addition to this, when we have kids in the future they won't need to earn a degree like my paper degree, they can go to a reputed (i mean really reputed) school in Singapore.

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Postby vishalgupta2 » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:36 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:Desperate times comes for desperate measures, OP?
My thoughts which worth not even a cent

1. With more than I billion people in India, land against population ratios dries up very fast.
2. Most will have at least a degree and Masters from a A VERY REPUTED UNIVERSITY FROM Far Flung place like in Mysore or Goa or Doodalapur etc..
3. The need to get out from this paper chase and close proximity madness drives them up to their balls hence winners takes all approach.
4. Lastly, the Northern Part of India has got the looks hence equates to Bollywood stardom, the Southern Part of India has got the brains hence the overseas opportunities is abundant. Anything in between stays where they are with no where to go and it sucks big time!!


You nailed it. Hats off...

I am probably a bit more interesting than point 4. I am from northern India and did a couple of small shots for some of my company commercials. Also was associated with Red Cross and then I am a engineer and well my company created a requirement for me in the Singapore office to retain me. I was actually willing to go below my current compensation to migrate to Singapore, but they gave me a more than fair deal.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 30 Apr 2012 3:33 pm

So , you got the looks and the brain but do you have the BRAWN ?
I worked in Bangalore under BPL Group in the 80s , Cauvery, Ralectronics and Star Group . From Hyderabad to Kerala, I have live and worked.
Kind of understand how you guys think.
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Postby vishalgupta2 » Wed, 02 May 2012 12:49 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:So , you got the looks and the brain but do you have the BRAWN ?
I worked in Bangalore under BPL Group in the 80s , Cauvery, Ralectronics and Star Group . From Hyderabad to Kerala, I have live and worked.
Kind of understand how you guys think.


Brawns, well I am confident about myself and am sure I will prove my metal. All I know is I always give my 100%. Hope that with the combination of integrity, good wishes, hard work & some talent; the gods will smile upon me.

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