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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 23 Apr 2012 1:40 pm

Actually, it sounds like you are pretty much loaded for bear. I really don't think you will have too much of a problem applying for a P1. Once you have the P1 the PEP should be rather easy if you want to go for it. The P1 might be faster though. Urgency on the part of a major MNC works better than the personal wants of an individual (especially with the current state of frustration by the locals over foreign talent). So the PEP may sit for a week or a couple of months (no way of telling as the goalposts are forever changing here).

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Postby skipper » Mon, 23 Apr 2012 2:23 pm

You shouldn't have any problems securing an EP, which in your case will be P1. Then PEP should be automatic a few months down the road. Regarding PR, cross the bridge when you get there -- and you're still at least 2-3 years away from the foot of the bridge. Government policies and/or the socio-political environment may have changed and by then, your application may be looked at favorably.

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Postby vishalgupta2 » Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:48 am

Thank you everyone.

Filed EP P1 yesterday. Added more paperwork about me being qualified and my merit. HR says, we should get it approved by the end of this week, or worst case in the week of 4/30.

My sg HR head met someone at ICA and the told that there is no residency requirement for PR and the only requirement is that the person must hold any of the pass. Although he/she mentioned that amount of time spent in Singapore is one of the criteria they use while judging PR application. My US HR director is also having some talks with the Singapore mission in DC (don't know what though)

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Postby vishalgupta2 » Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:49 am

Wondering if there is some data which shows PR rejection by Pass/permit category?

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Postby Mad Scientist » Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:48 pm

vishalgupta2 wrote:Wondering if there is some data which shows PR rejection by Pass/permit category?


Yes but No. Only internal circulation.
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Postby vishalgupta2 » Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:56 pm

Hi MS

Thank you for your input.

You have said too little for me to read anything between lines/words or make speculations.

I do understand that you have insider info which you obviously can not share; but a few more words from you may help me read what I need to read.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:20 pm

vishalgupta2, what do you think we are?

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How plain do you need it? Do you have any idea what "Only internal circulation" could possibly mean other than what it says? You started off good, but are now starting to sound just like all the rest. :roll:

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:26 pm

vishalgupta2 wrote:Thank you everyone.

Filed EP P1 yesterday. Added more paperwork about me being qualified and my merit. HR says, we should get it approved by the end of this week, or worst case in the week of 4/30.

My sg HR head met someone at ICA and the told that there is no residency requirement for PR and the only requirement is that the person must hold any of the pass. Although he/she mentioned that amount of time spent in Singapore is one of the criteria they use while judging PR application. My US HR director is also having some talks with the Singapore mission in DC (don't know what though)


Sure sounds to me like there is a residency requirement. We know that the Minimum is 6 months. But that hasn't been used for almost two years or more now. Currently it's between 2 and 3 years, hence the requirement for three years Tax Assessments when filing for PR. Doesn't that tell you something? Nothing is cut and dried. If it were, then you guys would start filing tailor made applications think that it's automatic. It isn't.

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Postby vishalgupta2 » Thu, 26 Apr 2012 1:11 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:vishalgupta2, what do you think we are?

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How plain do you need it? Do you have any idea what "Only internal circulation" could possibly mean other than what it says? You started off good, but are now starting to sound just like all the rest. :roll:


Sorry SMS. I did not mean sound ridiculous. I am probably getting too excited with the thought of making sg my home. When I wrote this, I was kinda too optimistic and hoped for someone saying, well P1 is easier to get PR or something like S/Q has higher rejection ratio for PR. I understand it was my mistake, I offer my sincerest apologies.

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The guys on this forum including you, have been absolutely straight forward and they tell you the truth on your face without caring to wrap the truth in layers of chocolate to make it sound sweet. I LOVE THIS. I think the feedback I have got on this forum has been one of the best I ever seen. Informed and Straight forward.

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Postby vishalgupta2 » Thu, 26 Apr 2012 1:29 am

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vishalgupta2 wrote:Thank you everyone.

Filed EP P1 yesterday. Added more paperwork about me being qualified and my merit. HR says, we should get it approved by the end of this week, or worst case in the week of 4/30.

My sg HR head met someone at ICA and the told that there is no residency requirement for PR and the only requirement is that the person must hold any of the pass. Although he/she mentioned that amount of time spent in Singapore is one of the criteria they use while judging PR application. My US HR director is also having some talks with the Singapore mission in DC (don't know what though)


Sure sounds to me like there is a residency requirement. We know that the Minimum is 6 months. But that hasn't been used for almost two years or more now. Currently it's between 2 and 3 years, hence the requirement for three years Tax Assessments when filing for PR. Doesn't that tell you something? Nothing is cut and dried. If it were, then you guys would start filing tailor made applications think that it's automatic. It isn't.


I got that crisp and clear. I read that as even though you may be able to file a PR with 0 or 6 months residency, the chances of rejection are very high (close to 100%).

Actually I have kinda got used to a culture where things are a bit more black and white. Like in the US, if you fill the minimum requirements you get the visa, if you don't you don't.

This said, I think the Singapore system is much better which weighs each application on its merit. I also think this system of judging each application on its merit puts lot more stress on ICA/MOM and hats off to the guys. I strongly believe that this adjudication method will get only the 'cream of the crop' in Singapore and I applaud this.

This actually makes me much more interested and excited in making Singapore my home.

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:13 am

Sure sounds to me like there is a residency requirement. We know that the Minimum is 6 months. But that hasn't been used for almost two years or more now. Currently it's between 2 and 3 years, hence the requirement for three years Tax Assessments when filing for PR. Doesn't that tell you something? Nothing is cut and dried. If it were, then you guys would start filing tailor made applications think that it's automatic. It isn't.


Actually I have kinda got used to a culture where things are a bit more black and white. Like in the US, if you fill the minimum requirements you get the visa, if you don't you don't.


Interesting, isn't it??

And I always wonder why a lot of new talent cannot figure that out .. and instead try to see if they can engage a lawyer / consultant etc. etc.

Years ago, when I was offered a move to US, a friend was asking me to just take up Java - he was like "I took up Java and now I am in US, Java will fill the missing pieces in the puzzle for you to fast track"

Same for Australia - a cousin evaluated my chances and came back and said to take up IELTS and something .. to meet the 'numbers'

When the said individual wanted to move to Singapore and I was trying to tell him that Singapore is not the same as US/AU, he was like "you guys are living in stone age .. "

Welcome to Singapore .. have a great day ..

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Postby Mi Amigo » Fri, 27 Apr 2012 6:24 pm

What I don't quite understand is why some people are in such an enormous rush with everything - get EP/PEP, then 6 nanoseconds (OK, months) later apply for PR, then immediately apply for SC. What's wrong with taking things at a more sensible pace? PR and SC are obviously intended to be 'permanent' (or as near to that as one can be in life), so what's the hurry if you really intend to stay here 'permanently' anyway? And surely the ICA will look on such over-zealous, hasty applications with a degree of suspicion anyway?

I know, lots of questions, and in many cases the answers are kind of obvious. But it just doesn't look like a sensible approach to me.
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Postby nakatago » Fri, 27 Apr 2012 7:51 pm

Mi Amigo wrote:What I don't quite understand is why some people are in such an enormous rush with everything - get EP/PEP, then 6 nanoseconds (OK, months) later apply for PR, then immediately apply for SC. What's wrong with taking things at a more sensible pace? PR and SC are obviously intended to be 'permanent' (or as near to that as one can be in life), so what's the hurry if you really intend to stay here 'permanently' anyway? And surely the ICA will look on such over-zealous, hasty applications with a degree of suspicion anyway?

I know, lots of questions, and in many cases the answers are kind of obvious. But it just doesn't look like a sensible approach to me.


My theory is the culture of the home country is such that people didn't have a period of abundance. Generations after generations of living this way kinda programs the mentality into people that "you better act quick or you won't get anything because there isn't enough to go around."

It's a variation of kiasusism, me guess.

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Postby vishalgupta2 » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 2:20 am

Mi Amigo wrote:What I don't quite understand is why some people are in such an enormous rush with everything - get EP/PEP, then 6 nanoseconds (OK, months) later apply for PR, then immediately apply for SC. What's wrong with taking things at a more sensible pace? PR and SC are obviously intended to be 'permanent' (or as near to that as one can be in life), so what's the hurry if you really intend to stay here 'permanently' anyway? And surely the ICA will look on such over-zealous, hasty applications with a degree of suspicion anyway?

I know, lots of questions, and in many cases the answers are kind of obvious. But it just doesn't look like a sensible approach to me.


I totally agree with your point that there should be no rush. This said, I am a human and am also concerned that if things don't work out in terms of PR later, how will my career things work out. I believe its fair for a human to think and be cautious about a move this big.

It is very easy for me or anyone to compare India with Singapore and everyone knows the clear winner. The things definitely get more complicated and the comparison may not be equally easy when you were to compare US with SG. This is the comparison I have been making and evaluating.

I never said that I must have PR in 6 months (I respect the law of the land and am not trying to play with it). I was only trying to get opinions about the probability so that I can make a informed decision.

I strongly believe that if we did our due diligence before we take a decision, there will be a far less number of people coming to forums and screaming foul.

What would be better, people with realistic expectations or people hoping for the stars and then blaming the system for their unfair expectations?

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Postby vishalgupta2 » Sat, 28 Apr 2012 2:28 am

ecureilx wrote:
Sure sounds to me like there is a residency requirement. We know that the Minimum is 6 months. But that hasn't been used for almost two years or more now. Currently it's between 2 and 3 years, hence the requirement for three years Tax Assessments when filing for PR. Doesn't that tell you something? Nothing is cut and dried. If it were, then you guys would start filing tailor made applications think that it's automatic. It isn't.


Actually I have kinda got used to a culture where things are a bit more black and white. Like in the US, if you fill the minimum requirements you get the visa, if you don't you don't.


Interesting, isn't it??

And I always wonder why a lot of new talent cannot figure that out .. and instead try to see if they can engage a lawyer / consultant etc. etc.

Years ago, when I was offered a move to US, a friend was asking me to just take up Java - he was like "I took up Java and now I am in US, Java will fill the missing pieces in the puzzle for you to fast track"

Same for Australia - a cousin evaluated my chances and came back and said to take up IELTS and something .. to meet the 'numbers'

When the said individual wanted to move to Singapore and I was trying to tell him that Singapore is not the same as US/AU, he was like "you guys are living in stone age .. "

Welcome to Singapore .. have a great day ..


As I said, although I am more used to US/AU kind of immigration, I think that the Singapore method of evaluating every application on its merit is far more rational and sensible.

I don't think Singapore immigration is living in stone age, I think its actually one of the best ways to adjudicate. I am more than happy to get my case fair consideration based on my merit, NO less NO more. I am confident that this is what I will get and it makes me very happy.


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