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NS obligation for son of ex-PR parents?

Postby bosctang » Tue, 03 Apr 2012 8:06 pm

My wife and I were British Hong Kong citizens when we lived in Singapore in the 80's. We became Singapore PR between 1983 and 1986.
My son was born in Singapore in 1985, his Birth Cert stated he is a non-citizen at the time of birth.
We migrated to Australia in 1986 (when my son was 11 month old). I don't remember exactly what steps were taken when we left, but we did return our NRIC and collected our CPF.

Our son is now 26 and he wants to visit Singapore on his Australian passport for a short holiday. Is there any chance that he's considered NS liable?

I asked ICA and they said it's a matter for CMPB. I asked CMPB and they have not given me a definitive answer.

Thank you.

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Postby nanamar » Tue, 03 Apr 2012 9:19 pm

simple question - was your son a PR during his initial stay at SG ?

if yes, then it is a matter of whether his PR (not just yours) was renounced properly or not.

if no, (he is/was not a PR), then he is not NS liable.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Wed, 04 Apr 2012 5:33 am

nanamar wrote:simple question - was your son a PR during his initial stay at SG ?
if yes, then it is a matter of whether his PR (not just yours) was renounced properly or not.

if no, (he is/was not a PR), then he is not NS liable.


How would you say it is simple. ?
He is not a citizen of SG but under the PTS scheme all second Gen PR is liable for NS although he may not gain PR but he is definitely under LTSVP of PR parent.
The issue here is when this PTS scheme was enacted whether the child falls before or after this scheme was launched.
I will check
@nanamar : you have to be very careful when giving views to this matters as it may affect one's decision.
Are you are local and done your NS?
Are you with ICA or CMPB ?
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Postby bosctang » Wed, 04 Apr 2012 6:23 am

Thank you Mad Scientist.
I think my son "inherited" PR status by birth in Oct 1985. As a minor I don't think he ever held an NRIC. I believe I renounced my PR when I left, hence handed back the NRIC and collected CPF. But my son himself have not done anything ever since to renounce his inherited PRship.

I was told (hearsay only) 2nd generation PR have to elect to be PR at the age of 13/14, otherwise his inherited PRship will not continue. Is there any truth in this? Thanks

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Postby nanamar » Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:08 am

I am sorry if I came across as authoritative or arrogant, I really did not mean to. :oops: . I will learn to tread with more caution.

Has getting PR ever been automatic (inherited from PR parents?), I thought that you would always need to apply to get it ?

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Postby bosctang » Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:14 am

Inherit is probably the wrong word. I cannot not recollect exactly what were the steps. But when I applied for PR myself, I must have "sponsored" my children at the same time.

By the way, I applied and obtained PR prior to my son was born!! Not sure if there is any significance.

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 04 Apr 2012 4:09 pm

bosctang wrote:Inherit is probably the wrong word. I cannot not recollect exactly what were the steps. But when I applied for PR myself, I must have "sponsored" my children at the same time.

By the way, I applied and obtained PR prior to my son was born!! Not sure if there is any significance.


As of right now, you need to apply separately for each child within 40 days of their birth. They don't automatically become PRs. There are a few recent threads about this. No idea in 1985 though...

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Postby Mad Scientist » Wed, 04 Apr 2012 6:36 pm

bosctang wrote:Inherit is probably the wrong word. I cannot not recollect exactly what were the steps. But when I applied for PR myself, I must have "sponsored" my children at the same time.

By the way, I applied and obtained PR prior to my son was born!! Not sure if there is any significance.


I cannot find the doc when this PTS scheme was enacted
Anyway based on what you have provided. You must have sponsored your child to be under PR when he was born while the child was still under LTSVP
Since you have relinquished your PRship. You should do the same for your child to avoid complication to ICA
Before 1990 all PR parent will get automatic PR for child born here. They also have a choice to take citizenship for child born in SG . Not anymore
Whether he is liable or not, IMHO, if he has not returned to SG and take any formal education in SG prior leaving SG or gain any socio economic benefits, I would dare say he is not liable based on what you have provided.
For visitation, you should be alright if you travel with OZ PP
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Postby bosctang » Wed, 04 Apr 2012 6:58 pm

Thanks Mad Scientist.
My son has zero association with Singapore since he left as a baby. He has visited SG only once for a few days holiday when he was a teenager. I cannot think of any SG socio economic benefits that he has enjoyed.
I am also checking with ICA on his status, if required I will get him to renounce officially. Your assessment is helpful.


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