EP REFUSED THREE TIMES

[yoges]

hi,

My company had applied for my pass in Jan 2012, they declared my salary 3k, i have got an MBA from Uk university n got nearly 9 yrs of Exp.

My EP pass got refused and S pass refused for insufficient quota, that time we had only 1 local person working,
After that, Next month my company applied for Only EP by increasing the salary to 3200,, but still got refused the very next day,,

then my company appealed and declared by salary $4000, After 15 days,, my appeal for EP was refused,,

can anyone help me to know,, how shud i go for that,, my company is a new setup in Singapore,its around 6 months old ,

Now my company has got 5 local people in the company, who have started working from last month,, can i again apply for S pass..or EP..

i have worked for my company in diff locations abroad for nearly 5 yrs (part time & full time)

Need your Inputs in this,,

[sundaymorningstaple]

Hate to tell you this, but you are out of luck. What the company is doing is pretty obvious to MOM. They are far from stupid. Filing for different passes with different salaries just shows them that you will be breaking the law if they give you a pass as you will be getting one amount and having to remit back to the company a sum of money because they know you have been applying with various amounts with each application.

Education and experience aren't of much value when the ethics aren't there. The best thing you can do is go home now. Once you have been given a FIN number, every application since you first came to Singapore is contained under that same FIN. It never changes unless you obtain PR. So every application is there and every new submission is checked with the others.

[Mi Amigo]

I'm curious as to the exact relationship between the OP and the company, given this statement:

Now i have got 5 local people in the company

But he/she did use the word thrice though, another one of my favourites, alongside sundry.

[yoges]

Hate to tell you this, but you are out of luck. What the company is doing is pretty obvious to MOM. They are far from stupid. Filing for different passes with different salaries just shows them that you will be breaking the law if they give you a pass as you will be getting one amount and having to remit back to the company a sum of money because they know you have been applying with various amounts with each application.

Education and experience aren't of much value when the ethics aren't there. The best thing you can do is go home now. Once you have been given a FIN number, every application since you first came to Singapore is contained under that same FIN. It never changes unless you obtain PR. So every application is there and every new submission is checked with the others.

Thanks for your Inputs Sir, I have got the same replies from some agents around here,, But they told me, if we give the proper explanation for the change in salary,, and the reason my company wants me here during the Initial Setup, things can change.. i know that the agents will only say things what you want to hear, but still do you feel that is there any hopes..

[sundaymorningstaple]

If you have read enough of the forum, you already know I don't say what you want to hear, I tend to say what you need to hear.

Good Luck, if you have been bounced 3x you are going to need it.

[Mi Amigo]

Hey Yogi, my comment about your use of the word thrice was meant as a compliment - sorry if you took it the other way. No need to change the title of this thread and remove that nice word.

Anyway, good luck; as SMS says, you're going to need it.

[Obscurityspeaks]

Hi yoges,

http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/ftopic ... highlight=

My employer is part of a leading classifieds group in Singapore, providing location-based service. Though the parent company has sufficient number of employees, this new division has only 5 people working. My application was rejected twice. I've finally decided to change the employer and this time ask for a better salary. Alternatively, I can get married and work with a LOC and later try to get the epass.

In your case, as sms rightly puts it, applying with various amounts each time is not going to help or speak well of you and the company (sorry am brutally frank). I made the same mistake. Both our companies are relatively new, and if my judgement is right, it can easily be one of the reasons for the rejection of our applications.

Dont get bogged down. I know with your kinda qualifications and experience you can get the epass. You might want to consider changing the employer!

[yoges]

Thanks for your Advice,,

I am still having hopes that i ll get my E-pass,, i m planning to appeal again for my EP,, also if needed ll just wait for couple of months, and apply for fresh application for S-pass,,
i need this opportunity given to me my company,, even my company doesnt know how to apply, so i get my E-pass sorted out..

Hi yoges,

http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/ftopic ... highlight=

My employer is part of a leading classifieds group in Singapore, providing location-based service. Though the parent company has sufficient number of employees, this new division has only 5 people working. My application was rejected twice. I've finally decided to change the employer and this time ask for a better salary. Alternatively, I can get married and work with a LOC and later try to get the epass.

In your case, as sms rightly puts it, applying with various amounts each time is not going to help or speak well of you and the company (sorry am brutally frank). I made the same mistake. Both our companies are relatively new, and if my judgement is right, it can easily be one of the reasons for the rejection of our applications.

Dont get bogged down. I know with your kinda qualifications and experience you can get the epass. You might want to consider changing the employer!

[sundaymorningstaple]

Unless you have something relevant to add, besides a change of the income figure, it will be a exercise in futility. All your previous application will be stored under the same FIN number which you will be forever tagged with unless one day you should get PR. So, every time you make an application, the officer will review all the previous applications to see what changes there are and if a pattern shows up, well, let's just say, you have been warned. Applying every three months is going to raise flags - mostly red ones.

[yoges]

Unless you have something relevant to add, besides a change of the income figure, it will be a exercise in futility. All your previous application will be stored under the same FIN number which you will be forever tagged with unless one day you should get PR. So, every time you make an application, the officer will review all the previous applications to see what changes there are and if a pattern shows up, well, let's just say, you have been warned. Applying every three months is going to raise flags - mostly red ones.

Dear sir,

At last, i have got my EP approved on my 6th application,,
Thanks for all your support and suggestions...
i have got a 2 years visa stay..

[yoges]

Hi yoges,

http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/ftopic ... highlight=

My employer is part of a leading classifieds group in Singapore, providing location-based service. Though the parent company has sufficient number of employees, this new division has only 5 people working. My application was rejected twice. I've finally decided to change the employer and this time ask for a better salary. Alternatively, I can get married and work with a LOC and later try to get the epass.

In your case, as sms rightly puts it, applying with various amounts each time is not going to help or speak well of you and the company (sorry am brutally frank). I made the same mistake. Both our companies are relatively new, and if my judgement is right, it can easily be one of the reasons for the rejection of our applications.

Dont get bogged down. I know with your kinda qualifications and experience you can get the epass. You might want to consider changing the employer!

Thanks Dear,,

I have got My EP approved from the same existing company,,
It got a 2 Years Visa Stay,,
Very Happy to get it on the 6th application..

Thanks for your Suggestions...

[Mi Amigo]

Congratulations Yogi. On the twice thrice attempt . It shows that perseverence does payoff sometimes.

For the benefit of others in future, could you explain whether any details were different on the later applications? Or were they all just appeals with basically the same info?

[sundaymorningstaple]

Yes, I would agree with Mi Amigo.

VERY unusual, so it would be good to see whether is was something in the applications OR as I suspect, the time lag between the hiring of additional local staff that made the difference (which is what I suspect, even though there is not any quota, per se, on EP holders) While there isn't a quota for EP holders, a startup, with only foreign employees would tend to say "vehicle for EPs", and I suspect that is why the original EP was nixed, the subsequent S pass would definitely been for quota, so I would be interested to see if my hypothesis is correct.

Oh, and congratulations!

[beppi]

I think with a salary of S$3000-4000 for a UK MBA graduate with 9 years experience, it was just too obvious that something fishy is going on. Nobody in his right mind sells himself so much below value! Even S$6000 is still in the lowest possible range for this!

[sundaymorningstaple]

What he has told us is if the MBA is a distance one or not. Actually, having an MBA only gains you point with your employer. MOM, in the past, didn't really care about the MBA, but only if you qualify for the pass with the current minimum criteria for academia & experience. I don't know if that's changed or not, but I kind of doubt it as they don't look at it as competition like the employer would.